US state introduces bill to punish women getting abortions with death penalty

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https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/20/us-state-introduces-bill-punish-women-getting-abortions-death-penalty-22226357/

I was replying to a post about the religious nuts who won't abort to save the mother's life, not the religious nuts who want to execute women for having abortions.

I think the key here - especially in relation to the US, is what do men say about what the bible says ? There is a strong streak of fundamentalism in the US about sticking to the absolute letter of sacred texts wherever it confers an advantage to the right wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalism

Sad how true this is...

It will go through. Maybe not immediately but eventually it will. I never, ever thought Roe -v- Wade would be repealed.

And that's without all the fertilised eggs that fail to develop and never come close to implantation.

But they'll find crackpot "doctors" to support them and come out with some kind of crap blaming women.

Remember the "doctors" who told GWB that if a pregnant woman says she's raped she's lying, because rape causes the body to "shut down" the process of pregnancy?

This is horrendous, unfortunately over here in the UK, reform have made a few noises against abortion, and Elon musk might be giving them a big donation so I can see it could potentially become a topic over here within the next 10 years maybe not as extreme as the USA but still concerning.
I saw a tiktok of Tucker Carlson (well known in the US, he even interviewed Putin a while back ) saying people should be having kids as young as possible, even in high school - this is really disturbing but he has many followers on the US and can be in an influential position.
They want gilead some of them and I feel for the women in these states, ironically these men enforcing these rules are some of the worst of the lot what they do in their personal lives !

I hate how a liberal (in the original British meaning) country like the UK is picking up culture war divisions from the US, a completely different culture, through social media tribalism. Calling this stuff "viral" was very well named, it infects us and makes our societies weak and sick.

How about skipping the vasectomy and going straight to castration ?

Women really should be boycotting the US as a place to visit.
Americans hate women having free choice as much as Iranians do they just hide it better.

And that's without all the fertilised eggs that fail to develop and never come close to implantation.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS9E6Scrambled

Some Americans. Plenty are horrified about their religious right's assault on women's rights. I may not agree with the US flavour of left wing politics on trans women and a few other things but by and large they are on the side of women in this (even if they haven't let themselves think too deeply about the contradiction) and a lot of Americans are just as against this as you are.

I have no doubt this will become law.

Yes indeed, it is very sad when women don't support other women.

I guess there's also money to be made from putting the babies of executed mothers up for adoption.

There wouldn't be a baby if the mother is executed for aborting it, though.

I think it's sinister enough already, OP!

Yes indeed, it is very sad when women don't support other women.

Well in this case it's frankly thick. Any fertile woman supporting this is stupidly confident that she'll never be in the position of having had a miscarriage that someone doesn't believe is genuine. I'm sure plenty can guarantee they'll never have an abortion. But a miscarriage is totally out of their control.

Obviously they'd wait until the mother had given birth (in a no expenses spared hospital, naturally) before the lethal injection/electric chair/gas chamber.

It won't be used against naice women though.

I had an ectopic pregnancy which was treated with a methotrexate injection. In the US, although many years ago now and in a democratic state.

The doctor made a point of saying to me that the foetus was not viable in any way, that this was effectively a miscarriage treatment and not an abortion and it was necessary for my own health. Obviously I knew that and I never felt any other way about it.

To think that women having to endure that process (for a wanted or unwanted baby) could then be questioned and treated like criminals and potentially get the death penalty is just horrific. Or doctors simply refusing to treat ectopic pregnancies and other miscarriages out of fear for themselves.

Gilead genuinely seems to be coming closer

Probably best avoid doctors then. Although I suspect they will be avoiding pregnant women.

There's another idea for a TV format - sort of "Celebrity Hunted". A pregnant woman has to track down a doctor in their state. All we need is someone to host it.

Or doctors simply refusing to treat ectopic pregnancies and other miscarriages out of fear for themselves.

It's not only the pregnant women who would be criminalised, is it? It's the doctors treating them. Would a doctor in this scenario be put on trial and forced to prove that what he did was medically necessary and that the foetus wasn't viable?

Because if the woman was on trial for murder, then the doctor is equally culpable. Possibly more so, since the doctor is the one actually carrying out the procedure.

I don’t know. But it’s genuinely horrible to think about isn’t it!

Good doctors being prosecuted (or worse) for trying to help women.

Then it’s a double whammy. Get rid of the “murdering” woman and the “murdering” doctor too. So even less options for women’s healthcare available.

It's not only the pregnant women who would be criminalised, is it? It's the doctors treating them. Would a doctor in this scenario be put on trial and forced to prove that what he did was medically necessary and that the foetus wasn't viable?

Like I said, for a doctor the solution is simple. Don't treat pregnant women. And if there is any doubt, don't treat women.

Are you getting confused? If the mother has been convicted/sentenced there would be no baby. If there is a baby, there would be no crime.

If it wasn't clear, they'd delay the execution until the baby was born

Luckily enlightened US law has already got this covered

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/putting-mothers-death-row

This has made me tearful. A backwards step indeed and placing women’s lives in jeopardy.
I’m sure that if this becomes law then women who have not had an abortion will be found guilty of doing so.

Well one or the other of us is confused. If there's a pending execution, the baby has been aborted. Unless I misread the article.