US state introduces bill to punish women getting abortions with death penalty

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https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/20/us-state-introduces-bill-punish-women-getting-abortions-death-penalty-22226357/

It's not only the pregnant women who would be criminalised, is it? It's the doctors treating them. Would a doctor in this scenario be put on trial and forced to prove that what he did was medically necessary and that the foetus wasn't viable?

Because if the woman was on trial for murder, then the doctor is equally culpable. Possibly more so, since the doctor is the one actually carrying out the procedure.

A doctor carrying out an illegal abortion in Texas can be sentenced to life in prison. I believe that's the harshest punishment but other states have imprisonment, fines, and suspension of medical licences.

If it wasn't clear, they'd delay the execution until the baby was born

What baby? If she's been sentenced to death the baby must have been aborted.

In fairness you can't be sentenced for murder if nobody has died

You wonder how this kind of legislation would interplay with IVF. Would there be a legal requirement to implant all embryos- if you couldn't afford multiple cycles would they risk multiple 'babies' by implanting them all?

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68366337

There's already been this. It was nearly a year ago so I'm not sure what the current situation is but at the time people were struggling to find companies who would transport their embryos out of the state because they didn't want to be liable.

So under this law, the doctor carrying out this medically necessary procedure causing a miscarriage of the unviable foetus could be put on trial and sentenced to death.

South Carolina may soon be very short of doctors. I can't imagine many doctors choosing to work there.

No. Hth.

Woman is pregnant.

Woman has abortion or miscarriage.

Woman (no longer pregnant) is arrested, charged, tried, executed.

There's no baby to be born and adopted.

If this goes through, doctors will be even more reluctant than they already are to treat pregnancy complications or other conditions arising during pregnancy. There will be unimaginable numbers of Savita Halappanavars and Sheila Hodgers.

So much for pro life
Exactly. Presumably they can’t see the contradiction.
They probably agree war is fine too, including bombs that kill pregnant women.

Yeah, cos some of those foetuses might be male. The women definitely are not.

I don’t know why anyone is surprised here…this does align nicely with the chapter on abortion in the Republican Party’s Project 2025. And Trump did say that all women who have had abortions should be punished.

It has wider implications too surely. Doesn’t it mean that all women of child bearing age will potentially be subject to policing, both by state and public? So every miscarriage will be investigated, every time a women of child bearing age buys an alcoholic drink or packet of cigarettes or even a coffee will she be grilled about potential pregnancy.. what about if she travels out of state? What if her neighbour/ hostile mother in law / abusive husband advises that she’s not eating healthily / doing anything they disapprove of during pregnancy etc. …,,,

Oh, people saw this coming.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 21/12/2024 20:34

If this goes through, doctors will be even more reluctant than they already are to treat pregnancy complications or other conditions arising during pregnancy.

I remember reading in the Guardian about this, a few years ago. Obs Gyn is a field where complications have a very high likelihood and doctors often go into other fields, to avoid being sued. This has resulted in a shortage and many who do go into Obs Gyn are the ones who scraped through their exams.

It's why the USA has almost third world outcomes in childbirth.

Young doctors just aren’t going to those states to be gynaecologists. The result is gynaecological deserts, and will only get worse as more gynaecologists retire. Not only does this affect abortion access, but it affects all women—all women need Pap smears for early cancer detection! And gynaecologists in the US also often do manual breast exams. This is going to be a major blow to womens’ health outcomes, particularly 10-20 years down the line.

That rather presumes that women can't leave the state. Forever.

Plenty of young men fled the US to evade the draft and stayed where they landed. I knew one in Oxford.

Also, who would accept a posting into a state like this ? Certainly no woman I know. Will make it hard for some companies and agencies.

That rather presumes that women can't leave the state. Forever.

Plenty of young men fled the US to evade the draft and stayed where they landed. I knew one in Oxford.

Also, who would accept a posting into a state like this ? Certainly no woman I know. Will make it hard for some companies and agencies.

To be sure some women will be able to choose to move away, or not move to these states. But largely that will be the more privileged ones. (I would think that applied to the draft dodgers too).

Affluent women will still get abortions, no doubt, even if they live in states where abortions are illegal. And yes, affluent women are more mobile when it comes to moving to a new state.

YankTank · Today 11:57

It's tragic and ridiculous that a country which can invent a landable rocket, fantastic computers and the like can't keep women alive in childbirth. And even less so that it has states champing at the bit to murder women who've had tragedies.

The men trying to push these laws are nothing but sadistic psychopaths.

But I thought Trump was a "good" president because he is gender critical? Or is being gender critical more important than the fact he also happens to be far-right, anti-abortion and has allegations of sexual assault?

Donald Trump is no more gender critical than you are. He believes in gender. The difference between him and you is that he believes that gender is the same as sex and that everyone should conform to the gender stereotype of their sex. Gender critical people believe that gender is a social construct that exists to the disadvantage of women.

It is The Handmaid’s Tale.

I don’t actually have any words.

Donald Trump is no more gender critical than you are. He believes in ...Donald Trump.

That is the beginning, the end, and everything in between that you need to know about Donald Trump. The only higher power he believes in is himself. And a whole nation has just confirmed that for him.

Whatever your problems, I can assure you that Donald Trump is not the answer.

It's been perfectly clear that Christinapple has either not understood what GC means, or is pretending not to.
Trump and his ilk, like them, believes that women are people with a certain set of traits, behaviours, characteristics, likes, feelings etc.

Rather than just simply describing a body type which can have any type of personality, soul, identity etc.