CPS change the proposed 'sex by deception re gender' legal guidance

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Following public objections, the CPS announced yesterday they have changed the proposed legal guidance on Rape and Serious Sexual Offences (RASSO), specifically the guidance on “Deception as to gender”, which can be found in Chapter 6 Consent, to 'Deception as to sex'. Rape and Sexual Offences - Chapter 6: Consent | The Crown Prosecution Service.

The outcome of the consultation is available here: Consultation on the Deception as to Gender section in the Rape and Serious Sexual Offences (RASSO) legal guidance | The Crown Prosecution Service.

summary of consultation responses here: Consultation on CPS guidance on Deception as to Gender - Summary of Responses | The Crown Prosecution Service.

There are ongoing problems re ideological capture by trans lobbyists and misogyny within the CPS so thanks to all who contributed to the changes they have reluctantly introduced.

She's 21, ffs. This is why no intervention treatment should be allowed before 25. I don't think it should be allowed at all, but if it has to happen

I agree. I did at one point think that once people reached 18, they could then decide. However, I now feel that that is too young. 'Affirmation only' needs to go as that sets people on a pathway with no (or only a microscopic) chance to get off the convyer belt.

The attitudes of the trans people on here and on Twitter make it crystal clear that this legislation was very much needed.

They have no care for the other person. The only feelings that matter are theirs.

They have no intention of doing the right thing and making sure they have informed consent without a law in place.

Circling back around to sex by deception. If part of the improved treatment for gender dysphoria involved going through that they are not going to actually change sex (because that is impossible) just alter their body's appearence, that would be good. It used to be part of what happened decades ago and it needs to be brought back.

Poor kid. What an idiot, and the world around her has fostered that delusion.

And she 'knows' she's a 'man', but went there specifically to meet other people like herself, in other words other actual female lesbians doing elaborate chemical-aided fancy dress.

I feel sorry for the blokes there to. People doing performative weeping in loos is always maddening.

That account from a transman shows the gap between what women think men are and what men actually are (generalisation, as all men are different, but there seems to be a massive gap in understanding here.)

The accounts from female people also shine a super luminescent light on the priorities of people who demand that they are ‘female’ but their entire focus is on male people.

The blatant misogyny continues to be pointed out but it is usually dismissed. And too often in an abusive emotionally manipulative hyperbole driven way. As we see on twitter. As we see here on MN.

It shows exactly what these male people think of female ‘oppression’ and ‘discrimination’. That it is only useful to use for claiming victimhood.

Hence why not one of these male people should ever be a ‘women’s officer’ or ever in a potential of influencing policy for female people.

Operation: Let them speak.

It says that men who rape trans women are able to claim that they didn't know their victim was trans in order to confound prosecution.

Please link and paste the text of each relevant paragraph and clause which states this.

Oh yes, as they don't exist, you cannot.

Let's also consider that these young transmen are known to sign upto apps such as Grindr. Straight men now also sign up (as gay or bi) looking specifically for these young, vulnerable transmen as an easy lay (many such examples exist). They pretend that they see a true and honest man, but are actually looking for someone early on in their 'transition'.

Now, is that sex by deception?

It says that men who rape trans women are able to claim that they didn't know their victim was trans in order to confound prosecution.

Surely rape is rape and the sex (or gender) of the victim of not going to change that. The prosecution isn't going to say 'oh, you thought you were raping a woman/man that's okay so, on your way'.

The glaringly obvious bit to this is… if the person has disclosed before sex has begun, then that is it. In fact, if I thought this was an issue, I would also get back up by sending a text and getting a reply saying something about being trans.

However, maybe the ‘discrimination’ bit that stings is that this group is open to having to prove to court that consent has been obtained and they feel they don’t have to do this. Whereas any other person who is just as at risk of false claims because an ex-partner wants to abuse them just has to suck it up.

It has already been discussed on this thread. Anyone is open to these false claims. It is not ‘discrimination’ in that sense.

These arguments are just flawed from woe to go. And I cannot imagine why they think that these arguments are compelling.

Actually, looking further at the profile on Twitter of Theresa Verity, who interacted with Willoughby, perhaps they really should not have been cocky with their 'cope' posts. Because maybe someone told them that whole face pics show a male profile. Of course, a hats will cover this....

But the posts declaring their backpack is old as their vagina is what???
Saying that a vagina is just like a backpack, a pouch to stuff things into?

A wonderful declaration that this male twitter profile has a vagina that is newer than female people's boring old vaginas?

Or just a brag that they are a male with a vagina?

Is there a situation where a female person would brag about the 'age' of their vagina?

It all really shows that some male people's interactions really highlight that they are not female. And they surely must know they don't present as 'female' in written interactions just as even in photos they don't pass. But apparently, people just have to 'cope' because that twitter profile fully believes that they do pass!

Surely someone has told them? Or is it that they refuse to believe it? Or they can't give a fuck?

DeanElderberry · Today 13:00

Surely rape is rape and the sex (or gender) of the victim of not going to change that. The prosecution isn't going to say 'oh, you thought you were raping a woman/man that's okay so, on your way'.

Of course; and if he rapes another man, he won't get off, if he's caught and there's evidence. It's ridiculous, histrionic and entirely unfounded in facts.

But apparently, people just have to 'cope' because that twitter profile fully believes that they do pass!

Most TRAs appear to believe that they pass. I disagree with the vast majority of them.

Surely someone has told them? Or is it that they refuse to believe it? Or they can't give a fuck?

A combination of all three, I imagine.

They exist in their own echo chamber, and just like the Emperor's New Clothes no is brave enough to tell them.

For a lot of them (particularly the AGPs with pseudo-bisexuality) having sex "as a woman" with a heterosexual man is the ultimate validation, and the announcement that they are trans before sex breaks the illusion.

I suspect that people be ‘kind’ and lie to their faces. And that would be hard to deal with.

But… when they post ‘cope’ style content any sympathy women may feel flees for the hills.

The whole "cope" posts these male people post are an enormous cope. Very meta.

Indeed! The ‘cope’ posts are so telling!

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is cope, in this context?

It's something you say/do to make yourself feel better, essentially.

Lay back and think of England.

Or something.

Sinner, it is something that some activist’s say which is sometimes the equivalent of ‘suck it up’ or they use it as a ‘see! Look you can’t tell, cope with the disappointment of being wrong !’ (Or something like that )as I believe the twitter profile I referred to used it.

But reader, you really could see that that was a male face. I think whoever told them that they passed was trying to be kind.

Yes it kind of can be both. You can tell other people to "cope" but also a "cope" is something you do when you're upset about something.