Ban on puberty blockers to be made indefinite on experts’ advice

[IDareSay]

Good news, just released:

“The Commission on Human Medicines (CHM) has provided independent expert advice that there is currently an unacceptable safety risk in the continued prescription of puberty blockers to children. It recommends indefinite restrictions while work is done to ensure the safety of children and young people.”

www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-puberty-blockers-to-be-made-indefinite-on-experts-advice

BBC Newsbeat is aimed at young people 😠

Unfortunately Jolyon has blocked me:

Welcome to the club he has a very fragile ego when you say anything critical.

i don't know how tweets like Joylon's don't at least result in him being debarred professionally.

Have people forgotten Bridgend?

People like Joylon will have blood on their hands THEN blame it on the PB ban.

Fully agree.

Jolyon is no longer a practising barrister so not under the regulation of the BSB anymore

how did I miss that? When did he stop practicing and why?

I think he stopped earlier this year. As far as I know he hasn't publicly stated a reason.

Oh look everyone! We have a ghost posting on Mumsnet!

Well well well the fragrant ‘Sophie’ ramping up the hyperbole.

The whole bringing in the holocaust for extra emotional blackmail looks very familiar 🤔

That's sick. Anyone who has read about the Holocaust would know better than to make that comparison.

Do they actually know what went on in Auschwitz or are they actually deluded enough to think that banning puberty blockers is comparable?

In all seriousness I think giving children puberty blockers has quite a lot in common with some of the 'experiments' done in concentration camps - let's see what happens if we prevent a physically healthy child going through natural puberty. Unethical and cruel experiments done in the name of ideology.

That tweet from the fragrant Sophie is absolutely vile. I hope he's getting telt.

I'd use stronger language but I hope you get the idea.

To be fair to Sophie, I see the parallel with Mengele when it comes to medical experimentation on children. Does that count?

Edited to add, I see you said similar @RoamingGnome

He's turned off replies.

Janice Turner in the Times on the PB trial

archive.ph/s4WjN

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/dont-allow-puberty-blockers-to-sneak-back-in-wtb36np3r

She sums up the problems with running this trial very clearly.

If only there were more Janice Turners out there in the mass media.

Hm I think that's a bit of a misstep from Sophie there. There are so many parallels to draw between the policies and social dynamics by which trans people were increasingly marginalised and brutalised in the 1930's and the direction of travel of the 2020's, but we are thankfully still only at the 'each of those people is a huge problem for a sane society' and 'we must invent excuses to cover for the observed rise in mortality' level of rhetoric so far and only toe-dabbling in pursuing its horrific endpoint.

She has to ease off the throttle a little; we still have years to turn the tide.

This is an amazingly well written and researched article.

lol

What tide are you hoping to turn?

Isn't it enough that any child or young person who experiences distress about their body gets access to evidence-based care and nobody who identifies as trans experiences discrimination?

There are already laws on the discrimination part. These laws don't mean that TW are allowed in women's sports, services and spaces, but that biological males who identify as women must be treated no less favourably than biological males who do not identify as women. That seems fair and respectful to all.

Presumably with the "turning tide", you're not arguing for the acceptance of medical intervention with no evidence base.

I'm hoping to turn the current direction of travel.

There were concerted efforts to ban treatment for trans young people. They succeeded.

There are now concerted efforts to ban treatment for trans people under the age of 25.

There are (mostly successful) concerted efforts to make any treatment theoretically available have such a long time to access that it is, in any practical and meaningful way, not available. It's half a decade wait to start treatment. It's a life sentence worth of waiting for surgery now.

There have been concerted efforts to demonise all trans people over the age of 25 for decades, especially if they have only just begun treatment.

The suicide rate for trans people is already horrifyingly high. Soft-banning treatments, abusing them in daily life, endless hostile rhetoric in both mainstream conventional and social media alongside a wider culture war focus on demonising and villifying them creates an oppressive atmosphere that also serves to encourage vigilante attacks from lone wolves.

Prof Appleby, who was commissioned to write the hackjob report that claimed there was no evidence for increased suicide rates in order to shame and silence whistleblowers who had brought them to the public's attention, has recently been caught talking about how there is actually an increase in suicide stats and how the narrative is going to need to be carefully massaged to downplay their significance.

There are concerted efforts to remove human rights legislation that protects trans people from discrimination. They haven't yet succeeded, thankfully.

This is the tide I'm hoping we can turn, before it gets any worse.

@ButterflyHatched You claim to have had puberty blockers as a child.

Here's a question. Do you think it would be better to be a trans adult who had puberty blockers as a child, or to be an adult who did not have puberty blockers as a child and grew out of their gender dysphoria?

Hm I think that's a bit of a misstep from Sophie there.

Surely not!

The suicide rate for trans people is already horrifyingly high.

Please don't lie. Trans actually have the lowest suicide rate and the lowest murder rate of all groups.

And again, sterilisation and castration with dangerous chemicals that cause Osteoporosis at age 24, is not 'health care'.

And you betcha we won't stop until our ex-based human rights are restored. If you thought you could get away with removing the sex-based rights and legal protections for females forever, you males are very, very sadly mistaken and underestimate the determination of feminists to defend our most basic human rights.