Ban on puberty blockers to be made indefinite on experts’ advice

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Good news, just released:

“The Commission on Human Medicines (CHM) has provided independent expert advice that there is currently an unacceptable safety risk in the continued prescription of puberty blockers to children. It recommends indefinite restrictions while work is done to ensure the safety of children and young people.”

www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-puberty-blockers-to-be-made-indefinite-on-experts-advice

Sounds positive except until we know the details of the clinical trials it doesn't seem true.

It seems like many children will still get the blockers but will be as part of the trial.

So business as usual but collecting data?

Not business as usual. There is no such thing as an open-ended clinical trial. It will be strictly limited in terms of numbers and duration.

Of course the initial reaction on the transgenderUK subreddit is an incitement to violence:

Failing that, anyone fancy taking one for the team and doing a Luigi?

(Luigi Mangione being the prime suspect in murdering that healthcare insurance CEO in New York.)

not even slightly.

For one the trail would not be everybody and for another the trail cannot ethically happen, it will never be a thing.

Report it to the police

I mean it, someone is going to get hurt over this

for example.

I'd like to think you are right and ir's not going to happen, but it is looking like a trial will happen, there will be 'no limit' to numbers on the trial and it will be starting early next year. Run by the new gendr clinics.

So children will still be getting puberty blockers.

Until we 'prove' what we already know: they harmed them.

Cass concluede lack of evidence for puberty blockers, so the push is going to be to get the evdience.

It’s genuinely not. They can’t get it past an ethics committee.

They can’t get it past an ethics committee.

Isn't it more, they shouldn't be able to get it past an ethics committee?

I genuinely think it is can't

The reasons why all come up in "Time To Think" and indeed from TRA people as well, you can't have a blind trial and you can't give it to people if you think it really will hurt them etc

Well you better tell Genspect about the definite information you have on this bc=ecause:

https://genspect.org/call-to-action-help-genspect-uk-stop-the-nhs-puberty-blocker-study/

I'm not sure how they will get it through ethics, they shouldn't get it through ethcis but it looks like thy think they will somehow.

Cass thinks it'sgoing to happen.

Unless this announcmt today is forshdowing Wes putting the kibosh on the study, which would be Big News.

Do you have inisde inof @MrBungle ?

Oh dear, MP Alex Sobel who recently wrote to Wes Streeting demanding that puberty blockers be reinstated, will be upset that he can’t sterilise kids any more.

the fucking ghoul.

I'm worried about the trial but I do think this is very good news. It's changing the narrative that blockers are harmless and reversible, which so many people thought was gospel truth.

If you want to watch the statement in Parliament by Wes Streeting, it is available on Parliament TV beginning at 1.30pm. Some MP's responses are appalling.

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/5c91805c-f151-45de-b806-816d8b7215d8

I'm just worride the headline is: puberty blockers banned, everyone thinks 'good' and moves on when in reality we continue for years with children on official trials being harmed.

Understandable - but who'd have thought that this Labour government would ever ban pbs? They've spent years spouting trans mantra so have now done a major reverse ferret.
The fact they're now banned will make it very difficult for an ethics committee to have to acknowledge the ban and reasons while approving their use on children?

Listen to him: he's saying there is not the evidence that puberty blockers arer 'safe and effective'.

He is not saying there is evidence they are harmful and not beneficial.

He says there should have been the clinical safeguards of a clinical trial.

This is what they are going to do 'gather evidence' and the new clinics are going to run the trials.

I hope I'm wrong but I've been following this and everthing is pointing to these trials happening and children still gettingpuberty blockers.

Everyone not paying attention will be confused and say 'but I thought I heard last year puberty blockers were banned.'

I hope I'm being pessimistic I really do.
But I've been following the setting up of the new clinics.

The reason given for the trials will be to get the 'evidence' that Cass said was missing.
Listen to Wes in parliamnet today. He is saying it out loud : there should have been clinical trials. The ban is due to lack of evidence.

He is not saying they are not safe or beneficial. He's saying we don't know.

I think people are hearing what they want to hear, and creating the headline they want.

The headline could equally be: 'we need more evidence on puberty blockers for trans kids.'

Don't worry, Wes Streeting and Hillary Cass already decisively covered that angle months ago when they drove a generation of desperate kids into abject despair.

I very much share the concerns expressed by others on this thread and i find some of Streeting's words very worrying; he seems to have swallowed the concept of the 'trans child'.

However, a ban is better than no ban and so I cautiously welcome it.

What car were they driving and what do you type into the GPS to get there?

I'm hoping that now the message is out there loud and clear, there will be a huge drop in numbers of children who want PBs anyway.

Instead of being told better a live daughter than a dead son, parents are now being informed of the known risks of PBs and the, probably much more worrying, unknown risk to health in later life.

If these children are despairing it is because they were told a lie.

So he isn't toeing the intended line? He is actually aligned with the findings of the report that the NHS specifically commissioned in order to ban them but found there are clear cases where children have benefited from treatment? That report?

The one headed by the clinician who said she hoped that trans adolescents will still be able to access treatment where there is a clearly identified clinical need, and that trans and non-trans outcomes should be considered equally valid?

Naughty Wes. He's going to become a problem isn't he? He might actually pay attention to the results of further studies, should they miraculously be allowed to actually happen. Dangerous. Very, very dangerous.

He might actually pay attention to the results of further studies

The studies are unlikely to show that prescribing hormone blockers to children is a good idea. Why do you think TRAs didn't want them to be happening in the first place?