The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.

[BackToLurk]

I couldn’t see a thread about this, but I’m just here to share how annoying it is to see a so-called women’s march so concerned with placating men. This is the march in January.

As well as the highly predictable “this is for all women” (meaning including the ones who are men) and the ‘we don’t tolerate transphobia’ (meaning any concept of sex-based oppression), the Facebook group is full of posts reassuring men that of course they’re welcome and it’s not all men and obviously “not my Nigel”. It’s infuriating. Why do people do this?

They're so "inclusive" that men pretending to be women and people who can't decide what they are, are welcome.

But ordinary men are welcome too. Lots of women seem to be bringing husbands, male partners and sons.

I think that it's great to have male allies who support women's rights, campaign against VAWG etc.
But if they join a Women's March, then - to my mind, anyway - it's no longer a Women's March.

I saw that post too. Why are people pretending that violence against women is just a thing that happens in a vacuum, and not a direct result of men intentionally harming those they see as inferior? How can they realistically be against violence against women while also refusing to acknowledge that men are, the vast vast majority of the time, the perpetrators? If you don't acknowledge the root cause then violence will never end.

Just seen a newspaper article advertising it. Sent the paper screenshots of the wonderful things this group was saying and detailing how discriminating they are. Just fed up of people like this thinking they can behave how they like.

@TigerLily40 👍🏻

I'm in the fb group 😎

It is something else is it? 😂😂😂

I may have already signed my own coffin by suggesting that the term 'woman' is better than 'pregnant person'

A march not really for women, to include women and not women to be inclusive, except not women who know what women are... got it, best name it an inclusive march for men then?

Intrigued at how the organiser who is defending the use of ‘pregnant people’ because she’s always more ‘switched on’ when inclusive language is used reconciles that with being involved with a women’s march.

Yes, if she's including transmen in her definition of women then she's done a transphobia.

“We’re a women’s march”
”Can anyone come?”
”Sure”
”So how are you a women’s march?”
”We’re highlighting women’s rights”
”Like abortion?”
“Welllllllll…”

Their response?

@TigerLily40

Sparkly - whether you agree or not, language is important, ‘pregnant people’ will cause many to disengage. The NHS and many other organisations are starting to steer away from this type of language realising it’s causing disengagement from the target audience.

Response - What’s the alternative?

Sparkly - Woman

Response - Children can become pregnant too though, as can transgender men, intersex people and non-binary people, depending on their anatomy. I, for one, am always more switched on to a cause when inclusive language is used 🫶🏼

Sparkly - as a woman myself who has been pregnant twice and given birth twice, I don’t want to be referred to as a pregnant person. There is something very magical about womanhood and being able to create life, to lose this in language, causes me to disengage.

Response - That’s unfortunate.

Sparkly - the NHS’s new constitution is already taking a reversal on the use gender neutral terms in recognition that it is causing more harm to its actual target patient base - women/female. The subject is about abortion - clear clinical wording is very important.

Have they booted you out yet Sparkly?

I'm still in.

Wish I'd caught on her using the word 'anatomy' and how anatomy has nowt to do with the feelz.

How will we ever know which non binary people have the anatomy to get pregnant, a nation wondered.

@BackToLurk I clearly need to be educated. It's ok - I am in the right place and there are plenty there to keep me on the right and kind path 😁

Response - Children can become pregnant too though, as can transgender men, intersex people and non-binary people, depending on their anatomy. I, for one, am always more switched on to a cause when inclusive language is used 🫶🏼

Then why on earth have they made it the 'Women's March'?

Why not 'people's march'?

Branding

Let's look at previous "Women's Marches" around the world in the last few years:

The one in London where Munroe Bergdorf, a misogynistic male TRA, was asked to speak and said women shouldn't centre their own reproductive rights.

The one in Vancouver where "Hailey Heartless", a misogynistic male BDSM "dominatrix" and TRA who had previously made a BDSM video taunting "terfs" was asked to speak.

The first one in Washington where misogynistic male TRA Cherno Biko was asked to speak.

They should rename it the men's march. Or just "march"

I have been following this board for a while and I just need to say thank you for existing. I will ramble on, but that's the crux of it. I am self employed, have been a long time and have quite a 'small' existence in many ways. Also not a massive social media user so haven't been exposed to any online debates other than what I've read here. I've often worried that I'm existing in an echo chamber.

However, I've recently joined BlueSky and LinkedIn to try and boost my income and I've found myself quite upset by the conversations around transgender issues. I haven't sought these out, they have just appeared. A lot of anger and what seems to me like a serious lack of logic. (I've attached a couple of things I've seen.) I can't get beyond the fact that transgender ideology reinforces damaging stereotypes. Is it anything more than that? I'm yet to hear a convincing argument for why gender trumps sex, or for why it's wrong to even talk about the issues in a critical way. How is it hateful to want to protect women? How can we look at the Suffragettes or at what is happening in Afghanistan and not understand that sex rather than gender comes first? I'm honestly open to listening and learning. I don't necessarily think I'm right. It is not in my nature to be in conflict with others; I find it incredibly stressful and upsetting.

I'm full of sympathy for those experiencing gender dysphoria, truly I am. It must be horribly difficult and upsetting and I would never want to undermine their experience.

I have no more to say really. I can't speak up on social media. I need to earn money and the conflict would be hugely difficult for me. I just can't engage with it. That makes me feel like a terrible wimp if I'm honest. I guess I am!

P.s. the second attachment genuinely baffles me. I'm not if I'm misunderstanding it.

@Sparklybutold I'm in the FB group too. I've not looked or found the thread that you've engaged in but some of the others...😑

It would seem that they all agree that TWAW as are 'non-binary' or whatever they choose to call themselves on that particular day . They all agree that men should be allowed to be included in these marches because the 'decent' men are allies and need to be allowed to be there ('nasty' men are not invited obviously!! - not sure how they know 100% that a man isn't nasty because he's accompanying his g/f or wife but there we are).

One had a snarky comment made against her because another poster checked her profile and she looked like she was a 'boomer' so apparently she's shit.

They talk about the March having 'colours' and someone suggested combining the UK Suffragette colours with the American ones - so Violet, White, Green and Gold. This has been vehemently shouted down because the UK Suffragettes were "upper class snobs, hated working class people and were racist" with lots of 'how could you not know this fgs!!' Rejections for these colours were also made because the 'TERFS in Scotland' have commandeered the colours for their movement and 'we don't want to be connected to those bigots!'.

So from what I've gleaned so far, they are far far away from a 'women's only' March and are actively encouraging men (in any shape or form they happen to be in) to join them 'because they are allies'.

I'm just lurking and reading atm. If I have a quiet work Twixmas then I might chuck in something to get through the day 😏

Oh I've put my post in the wrong place. 🤦‍♀️ I shall move!

Ooo such a good response