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The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.

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BackToLurk · 11/12/2024 13:24

I couldn’t see a thread about this, but I’m just here to share how annoying it is to see a so-called women’s march so concerned with placating men. This is the march in January.

As well as the highly predictable “this is for all women” (meaning including the ones who are men) and the ‘we don’t tolerate transphobia’ (meaning any concept of sex-based oppression), the Facebook group is full of posts reassuring men that of course they’re welcome and it’s not all men and obviously “not my Nigel”. It’s infuriating. Why do people do this?

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TigerLily40 · 13/01/2025 15:25

Livinginaclock · 13/01/2025 13:01

I wonder how, or even if Women's Street watch vet their volunteers?

Would be interesting to find.out - I bloody hope so!

TigerLily40 · 13/01/2025 16:15

I can't believe this thread is now on 726 replies and on page 30! Wow! I am so glad I found a group of women who think the same and I am now a member of the WRN Scotland.
I felt like crap when I was driven out of a March that could have been something amazing and made to feel like transphobic for wanting to maintain the rights of women especially trauma victims. Now I realise I had a lucky escape.

Marmaladelover · 13/01/2025 16:45

TigerLily40 · 12/01/2025 13:36

It is an admin with ra at the end of her name.....I hope someone who is still in the group can identify her...

@TigerLily40 some one is now saying that the name beneath the redacted belting comment is not an organiser of the Nottingham march . Can someone pm me with a source for confirmation ?

TigerLily40 · 13/01/2025 16:52

Marmaladelover · 13/01/2025 16:45

@TigerLily40 some one is now saying that the name beneath the redacted belting comment is not an organiser of the Nottingham march . Can someone pm me with a source for confirmation ?

I think she is Birmingham. This is from her page but she is from Nottingham?

The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
Marmaladelover · 13/01/2025 16:58

Ok thanks

SoOpenMindedBrainsFellOut · 14/01/2025 08:49

I have to say the whole thing is a 💩 show. The private chats and comments from admins and people attending are just gross towards women who believe Sex matters. I've just seen an admin claim on a FB group that science has proven men are really women. Naturally, when the woman she has been calling all the typical tropes i.e hateful, vile asked for evidence she has completely ignored it. This admin has joined in with another woman who works at Women's Aid (!!!) and a bloke on a feminist group on FB absolutely slating a Party Of Women runner and Liz Pitt (who won against Cambridge City Council). They are like little playground bullies.

It's honestly so depressing.
They plan to read out the rules at the beginning of the march too.

Best of all the admin threatened the POW lady with the police. She warned her she would call the police if she attended 🙄
The policing of women by other women is shockingly 1984 and Stasi-esque. Newbies to protesting and marching have proudly said what they plan to wear for example and are immediately put down. For example, one wanted to wear pink and they were told it was racist basically as it is linked to light skin 🙄 and a lady whose elderly mum knit her a pussy hat has been told nope don't you wear that! More and more people are dropping out.

Sorry this happened to you OP. You have every right to feel upset, hurt and betrayed. I'm fuming on your behalf. These daft fools are making extraordinary claims like trans women have been the ones who have done the most amount of work for women's rights. Yes, the person was being 100% serious.

NecessaryScene · 14/01/2025 09:32

It's honestly so depressing. They plan to read out the rules at the beginning of the march too.

Don't really want to distract from the main point, but this sort of nonsense is pretty prototypical of the whole thing.

Helen Joyce reposted this rather good essay on the subject the other day. It breaks down all the mechanisms and factors that get you into this sort of mess.

https://paulgraham.com/woke.html

Intro:

The word "prig" isn't very common now, but if you look up the definition, it will sound familiar. Google's isn't bad:

"A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others."

This sense of the word originated in the 18th century, and its age is an important clue: it shows that although wokeness is a comparatively recent phenomenon, it's an instance of a much older one.

There's a certain kind of person who's attracted to a shallow, exacting kind of moral purity, and who demonstrates his purity by attacking anyone who breaks the rules. Every society has these people. All that changes is the rules they enforce. In Victorian England it was Christian virtue. In Stalin's Russia it was orthodox Marxism-Leninism. For the woke, it's social justice.

So if you want to understand wokeness, the question to ask is not why people behave this way. Every society has prigs. The question to ask is why our prigs are priggish about these ideas, at this moment. And to answer that we have to ask when and where wokeness began.

The Origins of Wokeness

https://paulgraham.com/woke.html

ArabellaScott · 14/01/2025 11:49

Prigressive?

SoOpenMindedBrainsFellOut · 14/01/2025 12:17

NecessaryScene · 14/01/2025 09:32

It's honestly so depressing. They plan to read out the rules at the beginning of the march too.

Don't really want to distract from the main point, but this sort of nonsense is pretty prototypical of the whole thing.

Helen Joyce reposted this rather good essay on the subject the other day. It breaks down all the mechanisms and factors that get you into this sort of mess.

https://paulgraham.com/woke.html

Intro:

The word "prig" isn't very common now, but if you look up the definition, it will sound familiar. Google's isn't bad:

"A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others."

This sense of the word originated in the 18th century, and its age is an important clue: it shows that although wokeness is a comparatively recent phenomenon, it's an instance of a much older one.

There's a certain kind of person who's attracted to a shallow, exacting kind of moral purity, and who demonstrates his purity by attacking anyone who breaks the rules. Every society has these people. All that changes is the rules they enforce. In Victorian England it was Christian virtue. In Stalin's Russia it was orthodox Marxism-Leninism. For the woke, it's social justice.

So if you want to understand wokeness, the question to ask is not why people behave this way. Every society has prigs. The question to ask is why our prigs are priggish about these ideas, at this moment. And to answer that we have to ask when and where wokeness began.

Great article. Sums these people up perfectly. It is refreshing to see people begin to cautiously bring up their disdain... Although they are quick to remove comments (and I presume they are block happy still). Their egos are huge, too. So overinflated. Whilst they go about showing how wonderful they are they are giving out a slew of personal info, including their jobs. One admin/march runner claims to have and is still working in politics. Another one works at Women's Aid- I honestly feel sorry for any gender critical or rather any woman who understands sex matters who goes to her branch. Due to her unhinged behaviour I have no doubt she can act neutrally.
I feel for the women and girls going who aren't aware of what these people are like. It's a very oppressive atmosphere and boy if they put a foot wrong they are going to know about it.

A few have been cancelled so far and they just delete the chats instantly. Someone mentioned they were unhappy about this as they lost all their contacts, info etc and wow were they jumped on! It's so woefully unprepared they are still lacking all sorts. People are fuming they haven't been granted permission yet and are blaming "the patriarchy". When it was pointed out the march leaders were at fault for being unprepared and it was nothing to do with their voices being silenced by men at the council again they were given a firm dressing down. I'm amazed at people just dumping money into the fundraiser when the set up is so shoddy. I wouldn't trust these people with a penny.

I'm stunned at how nasty the behaviour is. Literally just read an admin/march organiser patronising an older GC woman by calling her dead at the end of sentences. As if calling her a hateful, vile transphobe wasn't enough. It's so gross watching them cosy up with a young man to bully a couple of older women. An organiser an a member of women's aid not even calling him out when swearing at her directly either, whilst just above they were all preaching about sexism and ageism and men taking away women's voices and silencing them.

You couldn't make it up!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/01/2025 12:20

Par for the course with these Facebook groups.

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 12:23

SoOpenMindedBrainsFellOut · 14/01/2025 08:49

I have to say the whole thing is a 💩 show. The private chats and comments from admins and people attending are just gross towards women who believe Sex matters. I've just seen an admin claim on a FB group that science has proven men are really women. Naturally, when the woman she has been calling all the typical tropes i.e hateful, vile asked for evidence she has completely ignored it. This admin has joined in with another woman who works at Women's Aid (!!!) and a bloke on a feminist group on FB absolutely slating a Party Of Women runner and Liz Pitt (who won against Cambridge City Council). They are like little playground bullies.

It's honestly so depressing.
They plan to read out the rules at the beginning of the march too.

Best of all the admin threatened the POW lady with the police. She warned her she would call the police if she attended 🙄
The policing of women by other women is shockingly 1984 and Stasi-esque. Newbies to protesting and marching have proudly said what they plan to wear for example and are immediately put down. For example, one wanted to wear pink and they were told it was racist basically as it is linked to light skin 🙄 and a lady whose elderly mum knit her a pussy hat has been told nope don't you wear that! More and more people are dropping out.

Sorry this happened to you OP. You have every right to feel upset, hurt and betrayed. I'm fuming on your behalf. These daft fools are making extraordinary claims like trans women have been the ones who have done the most amount of work for women's rights. Yes, the person was being 100% serious.

Do you have a screenshot of the POW lady being told not to attend the march and being threatened not to?
If not, can someone screenshot it please? Would like to send it to the FSU. You can't legally restrict someone from attending. If you don't feel comfortable putting it on here then pm me and I will give you my email. I will need it not covering names etc...
Plus, please put up the comment saying science has proven men as women just for laughs 😂😂

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 12:25

SoOpenMindedBrainsFellOut · 14/01/2025 12:17

Great article. Sums these people up perfectly. It is refreshing to see people begin to cautiously bring up their disdain... Although they are quick to remove comments (and I presume they are block happy still). Their egos are huge, too. So overinflated. Whilst they go about showing how wonderful they are they are giving out a slew of personal info, including their jobs. One admin/march runner claims to have and is still working in politics. Another one works at Women's Aid- I honestly feel sorry for any gender critical or rather any woman who understands sex matters who goes to her branch. Due to her unhinged behaviour I have no doubt she can act neutrally.
I feel for the women and girls going who aren't aware of what these people are like. It's a very oppressive atmosphere and boy if they put a foot wrong they are going to know about it.

A few have been cancelled so far and they just delete the chats instantly. Someone mentioned they were unhappy about this as they lost all their contacts, info etc and wow were they jumped on! It's so woefully unprepared they are still lacking all sorts. People are fuming they haven't been granted permission yet and are blaming "the patriarchy". When it was pointed out the march leaders were at fault for being unprepared and it was nothing to do with their voices being silenced by men at the council again they were given a firm dressing down. I'm amazed at people just dumping money into the fundraiser when the set up is so shoddy. I wouldn't trust these people with a penny.

I'm stunned at how nasty the behaviour is. Literally just read an admin/march organiser patronising an older GC woman by calling her dead at the end of sentences. As if calling her a hateful, vile transphobe wasn't enough. It's so gross watching them cosy up with a young man to bully a couple of older women. An organiser an a member of women's aid not even calling him out when swearing at her directly either, whilst just above they were all preaching about sexism and ageism and men taking away women's voices and silencing them.

You couldn't make it up!

Have you got screenshots of this behaviour please? If you don't feel comfortable sharing on here then please pme for my email as will need them unedited and ideally showing names.

Sparklybutold · 14/01/2025 15:09

Does the women who works at women's aid indicate which branch she works at? I'd be screenshotting what she said and sending to her employer.

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 15:40

Sparklybutold · 14/01/2025 15:09

Does the women who works at women's aid indicate which branch she works at? I'd be screenshotting what she said and sending to her employer.

Yes, I definitely could do with the screenshots!

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 15:41

Anyone still in the march group, can you please put up the screenshots requested above please? Or pm me for my email

Heggettypeg · 14/01/2025 16:22

NecessaryScene · 14/01/2025 09:32

It's honestly so depressing. They plan to read out the rules at the beginning of the march too.

Don't really want to distract from the main point, but this sort of nonsense is pretty prototypical of the whole thing.

Helen Joyce reposted this rather good essay on the subject the other day. It breaks down all the mechanisms and factors that get you into this sort of mess.

https://paulgraham.com/woke.html

Intro:

The word "prig" isn't very common now, but if you look up the definition, it will sound familiar. Google's isn't bad:

"A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others."

This sense of the word originated in the 18th century, and its age is an important clue: it shows that although wokeness is a comparatively recent phenomenon, it's an instance of a much older one.

There's a certain kind of person who's attracted to a shallow, exacting kind of moral purity, and who demonstrates his purity by attacking anyone who breaks the rules. Every society has these people. All that changes is the rules they enforce. In Victorian England it was Christian virtue. In Stalin's Russia it was orthodox Marxism-Leninism. For the woke, it's social justice.

So if you want to understand wokeness, the question to ask is not why people behave this way. Every society has prigs. The question to ask is why our prigs are priggish about these ideas, at this moment. And to answer that we have to ask when and where wokeness began.

That's a cracker of an article, well worth reading the whole thing.

PonyPatter44 · 14/01/2025 16:36

Some woman in the London chat has posted her (very nice) sign calling for safe spaces for women and girls, and the TRAs have gone ballistic, ranting away at her that its transphobic language, and being decidedly priggish.

Theres no way im attending this march. I am very glad i didnt decide to volunteer.

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 16:38

PonyPatter44 · 14/01/2025 16:36

Some woman in the London chat has posted her (very nice) sign calling for safe spaces for women and girls, and the TRAs have gone ballistic, ranting away at her that its transphobic language, and being decidedly priggish.

Theres no way im attending this march. I am very glad i didnt decide to volunteer.

You got screenshots?
Anyone else got screenshots of their recent behaviour particularly the threat of police?

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 16:49

Is all this happening in the main group chat or WhatsApp groups?

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 17:08

Well if you fancy a joint, join the Edinburgh one...

The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
Livinginaclock · 14/01/2025 17:11

PonyPatter44 · 14/01/2025 16:36

Some woman in the London chat has posted her (very nice) sign calling for safe spaces for women and girls, and the TRAs have gone ballistic, ranting away at her that its transphobic language, and being decidedly priggish.

Theres no way im attending this march. I am very glad i didnt decide to volunteer.

I'm reading that too.
Two of them are TW.

TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 17:13

Livinginaclock · 14/01/2025 17:11

I'm reading that too.
Two of them are TW.

You got screenshots?

Livinginaclock · 14/01/2025 17:27

A few

The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
Livinginaclock · 14/01/2025 17:29

And

Just a selection, there's loads.
She's changed her sign.

The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
The “women’s march” that’s all about the men.
TigerLily40 · 14/01/2025 17:34

Livinginaclock · 14/01/2025 17:29

And

Just a selection, there's loads.
She's changed her sign.

That is just awful and poor woman. Are you able to get any of the screenshots from the above conversations?

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