The latest fallouts in GC world

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My terfing energy has been focussed elsewhere in recent months and I haven't been here or on TwiX or social media much. Now I've taken responsibility for tweeting/ comms on behalf of a small but potentially significant LGB group and I discover that there seems to be something going on — another schism — in GC world. Jane Clare Jones's name seems to be coming up a lot. Something seems to have gone on but I can't work out what.

If it was my own account I'd just ignore, but the followers of this account are bringing it up and seem to expect an opinion to be expressed or a side to be taken. Also I'm seeing a lot about 'ultras' and 'lites', which is new to me. Can anyone enlighten me? I need to tread carefully.

I don't think it's even repeal vs reform. The GRA is bad law, but lots of laws are simply ignored and not enforced e g. Many schools don't have single sex toilets over 8 as they should in law. Also see laws against rape.

What most normal people want is a return to sanity and in legal terms that's following safeguarding statutory guidance (underpinned by law) in schools not the GRA or EA.

Establishing that safeguarding takes precedence in schools over EA and GRA (as it does with the gdpr) would go a long way to stopping the harm. And the rest I think would follow.

Having said all that. I think the reason the ultra thing is still a thing is because the men involved. Janice called women ultras, women put it in their twitter names, and it would all have been forgotten in a few weeks. Its the men that have been using it for podcast views, to deflect criticism of their behaviour and their party politics. They are the ones who have kept it going.

I think that's a really good point.

And this dates right back to the likes of Hayton and Harrison being platformed by WPUK and women scolded for calling them men, and the tantrum Harrison threw when the Morning Star published a cartoon showing how predatory men could use trans as a cover.

Also how they all ridiculously fell for the "reasonable trans" nonsense over and over again with bad actors like Kinesis, for eg.

I am really confused by some people saying that others are trying to prevent them from repealing the GRA.

All I've seen is people saying they don't think it's a quick enough strategy, or they would rather work on something else - as far as I can see we all agree it would be better if the GRA didn't exist, just disagree in viable solutions.

Idk how anyone can actively prevent anyone from working on the gender ideology issue whatever way they want?

I am really confused by some people saying that others are trying to prevent them from repealing the GRA.
Same. I can't figure out whether this is mostly arguing over social media or whether there are actual sabotage attempts going on?
Thanks to everyone who replied to my earlier question.

See, reading the last few pages, it's all right wing left wing etc.

In local groups it's all political. That's why everyone has fallen out. And yes I get that Trojan horses are sometimes necessary (or golden bridges?; I'm not up on the lingo.)

Safeguarding rises above that

No, you're right I guess no one can actually stop anyone.

But I guess it's about support, who is supporting you and how much power they have.

The media, for instance, their support for anything is always a plus

If the ill feeling is about a lack of support from some quarters for repeal then sorry but, as far as I'm concerned, that's because not everyone is convinced it's the best way forward. But if there have been actual attempts to prevent or sabotage campaigning for repeal then I think that would be reprehensible.

Soz I didn't word that very well: I meant lack of support from some quarters for campaigning for repeal right now. As a pp has said, I've not seen anyone GC who doesn't think the GRA is a stupid and damaging law - it's a disagreement about tactics.

Unfortunately 'Ultras' aren't allowed to talk about safeguarding. Apparently. As we do it for bad reasons. Not good ones.

I think Stella O'Malley and her organisation are problematic.

Whatever they think, safeguarding does need to be the linchpin when dealing with children.

As i see it the fight to stop self id is a made up fight because we already have self id.

Fewer than 5% of GRC applicants are rejected, and thats usually because the paper work is wrong. I've forgotten who exactly, but a prominate TW applied 3 times before geting one. We dont know how many attending clinics dont get the diagnosis that they want, but given the criteria is not feeling happy in their body, who wouldnt get one? Quite rightly the diagnosis is about what is best for the patient, not what it does for society.

Any man can get a diagnosis of Gender if its best for him and apply of a GRC and get a female birth certificate.

By ignoring the GRA we are lying about the process and pretending that there is social responsibility within the Act. There isnt.

Also, if some GC activities want to support the GRA, but fight for the threat of self id, can they show us the benefits of GRA?

I agree

And vulnerable adults.

Why? Genuine question

Obvs same question to you too! Why is Genspect a problem?

Also, if some GC activities want to support the GRA, but fight for the threat of self id, can they show us the benefits of GRA?
Is there actual support for the GRA from any GC groups?

Sounds like the sort of demos and events you attend are predicated on there being aggro from the EDF and other imagined 'fascists'.

In earlier years I went on many demonstrations, but inevitably idiots, aggressive anarchists or class war warriors would always turn up and start pushing and shoving and smashing things. They didn't require "right wing fascists" to be present in order to do this. So I stopped going - and instead turned my political activism more towards a path of personal and psychological development.If this was supposed to be a peace movement or a model for a better society, it certainly didn't look or feel that way.

I attended a rally in my home city a few years ago.....for the purpose of taking photos ( I've become a keen photographer of urban life). The EDF were supposed to be turning up at the main train station to do a march through the city. Coach loads of anarchists and anti fascists bussed in - with the expressed intent of " smashing fascism". They all wore black and face masks, screamed and shouted and tried to push the police line back; and were actually far scarier than the two handfuls of marchers who arrived by train.

No safeguarding is absolutely not used like that.

Genspect are a problem because they don't understand safeguarding, cannot see a problem with AGP men getting close to them as they smell the tide turning and are letting people who are funded by the same people who fund the people they are trying to get rid of into their fold.

Hence now using Safeguarding as a 'oh no those evil ultras and their banging on about safeguarding again' tweet as referenced above.

I agree.

I am not sure that Stella is a shining example of great safeguarding ideals. I think like many people involved in this issue that she does great work. However, on safeguarding, I don't think I would take her advice on that.

And vulnerable adults.

Yes.

Obvs same question to you too! Why is Genspect a problem?

I don't have anything to add to what Alison said.