Could we ban "transvestigating" threads on here?

[Christinapple]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5225715-ilona-maher

This one for example. Transvestigating is an informal term given to when people play detective and try to determine if a given person (usually a woman) is transgender or not from how they look e.g. photos.

I've seen it more than a few times on Twitter anytime a woman who is tall or muscular or "masculine looking" appears. Quite often, women are wrongly mistaken for being trans.

As well as being transphobic, IMO this harms all women and reinforces stereotypes of what men/women should look like. And the idea of obsessing over people's appearances like this just doesn't sit well with me.

This just doesn't even make sense in relation to @Clabony 's post

I agree wholeheartedly.

Still on the me, me, me and what about me roundabout I see.

The people being excluded from public life are women and girls Butters, women and girls who no longer feel safe or confident to use the single sex female facilities that were put there for their use.

You know the solution - get out and stay out of our spaces, services, sports, refuges, hospital wards, changing rooms and leave our language alone.

By the way, here is just one website covering what female people 'have lost'.

https://www.shewon.org

These women have 'lost nothing' it seems. There are so many ways that women and girls have lost, it takes something special for a male person to state "You have lost nothing." to women on a feminist board.

Thank you for your post, garlic.

Do you believe that what you don't know doesn't hurt you, and would you therefore say the serial rapist committed no crimes?

This is apparently something that very many men believe. Or want to believe

Trans people are not a marginalised minority in the UK. They're an incredibly powerful one.

The fact that you're even comparing women's very real trauma to the "trauma" of people not believing you are really a woman says it all.

Best not to engage. Everything has been said, we know who we are dealing with.
It's just about attention and causing distress and has been for several pages on this and other threads.

ButterflyHatched Quote me all you want. I still find your comments here crass, self centred and lacking insight. I'm sure many other lurkers feel the same. Press your report button all you like. I'm entitled to a valid opinion.

Butterfly, I will add that I'm sorry you live in such fear. I do find your posts confusing and contradictory at times, but from a position of maximum good faith, assuming you're posting from a position of some distress, I hope you come to feel more secure over time and, in the meantime, can empathise with us in turn.

I agree.

It's a fucking shame that the women here do not have any weapon other than a grey rock

@Garlicwest So very sorry to hear of your devastating experience.

I'm still honestly waiting to hear how female women got clocked as male in the presence of @ButterflyHatched , who didn't get clocked as male at the same time.

I do more than understand that Butterly has been questioned by a lot of MNetters, but it still stretches my imagination so far I can't ignore it.

You won't get a proper answer.
We can only speculate as to why that might be.

Butterfly isn't living in fear though. The reality is that trans people have nothing to fear living in the UK. It's an incredibly safe environment.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Butterfly's "fear" dates from 2019. What changed in 2019? Any new laws against trans people? No. A wave of violence against trans people? No.

Then what? What happened in 2019?

Well, that's when JK Rowling tweeted in support of Maya Forstater and a whole bunch of women woke up to the fact that trans people have more rights than we do.

Butterfly's only fear is that the good times are coming to an end.

I wouldn't equate that to the fear of being a young woman alone in a taxi late at night and starting to suspect that the driver may be a wrong'un.

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

Not even vets

Unless you're a German Shepherd.

Cleverer than the average human. Also have their priorities straighter than we do.

Hmm.

Please educate yourself on the rise of hate crimes against trans people. Including violent ones. Please read the many studies that have been conducted on this subject. Please read the UN's human rights reports on this subject, alongside those of other human rights orgs.

Please re-read what I wrote. I have shared multiple personal experiences on this thread and have been minimised, demonised and disbelieved multiple times every time I have done so with posters frequently descending into active mockery. Last week I disclosed my own experiences of sexual assault on another thread. The dogpile was absolutely horrifying.

Knock it the fuck off, please. I am not playing.

🤣

Now that's a dog that will definitely know what's what. ❤️

I'm afraid you don't understand :/

I'm a proper, gender-role non-conforming lesbo :/

Yet I don't get kicked out of female restrooms in real life.

I mean, yes, it's true, I've only just been kicked out of a lesbian FB group because I mildly objected to a bi-curious, straight-married, polygamous american skank taking charge of their WhatsApp group.

But it doesn't (in)validate me the same way :/

I love the earstyles of dogs.

Please educate yourself on the rise of hate crimes against trans people

Hate crimes are not rising against trans people.

Absolute bestest post in this thread by far ❤️

Awwww.