Free advice line for female victims welcomes transwomen

[Liverpool52]

This popped up on my linked in feed - a free advice line which offers legal advice to women suffering sexual harassment in the workplace welcomes applications from transwomen.

That's right women being sexually harassed by men, come and discuss the details of it with men.

Yes. I wish logic was taught in schools. Necessary and sufficient conditions. Having a baby is a sufficient condition to say someone is a woman, but not a necessary one.

I suspect PP doesn't understand pure logic.

if you are referring to what i said about surrogacy, i'm guessing you are struggling to follow a very basic premise.

If you were looking for a surrogate to carry your baby. Are you choosing a trans woman or a woman (adult human female)?

(also leave people with DSDs out of your silly trans discussions, as they have repeatedly asked. And don't use "intersex" which is a term no longer used as it is completely and utterly incorrect)

(Back to the story and ignoring the derailing...)

It's horrific. And somehow even more chilling than if they'd just accepted all men: at least that would be honest and everyone would know where they stood. But no, it's only those men who pretend to be women and are willing to lie about it.

No, there aren't.

Because no police force is apparently able to separate biological from trans women. So you can't back that up at all. There. Are. No. Such. Stats.

Because no police force is apparently able to separate biological from trans women. So you can't back that up at all. There. Are. No. Such. Stats.

If we had those, we'd also have relative offending rates. Which would be interesting.

Surely the point of a helpline where women can phone and talk to women, the last thing wanted is a man’s voice on the line? Employing men is entirely counter to the point of the thing.

Hopefully this is top down or funding related and the women running it have the common sense and decency to turn down any men who apply.

It's horrific. And somehow even more chilling than if they'd just accepted all men: at least that would be honest and everyone would know where they stood. But no, it's only those men who pretend to be women and are willing to lie about it.

I agree.

But racist attacks on Black people are because the attacker has identified them as Black, and has attacked them for that reason, so they form an obvious category.
How does a sexist attacker know they are attacking a transwoman, not a biological woman?

But they don't include transwomen with all other women, do they? "All other women" would include transmen, but they would see transmen as men.

What are "gender categories" based on? Appearances? Stereotypes? Societal roles?

The US is a very different country in terms of crime. Plus it's very obvious why you won't link to your stats, because they will be easy to pull apart.

that's not how it works. YOU made a claim - you back it up.
Otherwise i, and probably other posters, will assume you plucked the numbers out of thin air.

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. We won't do your homework. Because it's a lie you want to prove.

In the real world, the important thing is that the people with fetishes for hearing sexual stories, who like to push boundaries, and who are dangerous have XY chromosomes. The perpetrators are XY, however they identify. Having a service for trauma-impacted women shouldn't include them.

oh joy I haven’t had my infertility weaponised by some utter bellend TRA who can’t tell the difference between men and women for oooh at least a few days

I’m infertile because my female biology malfunctions not because I’m a fucking man

HTH y’all 🙄🙄

this is actually hilarious
I salute your patience and persistence, sisters...actually very revealing to any new-to-all-this lurkers
also of interest, to return to the original point, that the argument for a dedicated helpline staffed by and aimed at transwomen is not worthy of consideration by our visitor, why would that be I wonder?
Of course any privately run organization can (within the law) set up whatever service they like, aim it at whoever they like and staff it how they want.
But if they want to provide a service for women, and prioritise women's interests, they ought surely to consider what would be most likely to make most women feel safe and comfortable.

@soConfusedByYalliThoughtThisWasaParentingSite, a few questions.

1. I believe every oppressed group with a particular set of needs in common has a right to a word that describes them. Without a word of their own, it will be harder for them to argue for their rights. Do you agree? (I'd be surprised if you didn't, as you seem to care about the human rights of distinct groups).

2. What word do you use to refer to the group of people in Afghanistan who are virtual prisoners in their own homes because of their body-type? (Remember that cis- doesn't work for them, as how a female "identifies" means nothing to the Taliban, and we don't know how every Afghan female "identifies" in any case).

@soConfusedByYalliThoughtThisWasaParentingSite

I think the poster was engaging with your analogy about racist attacks, not saying that MTFs generally pass for women. As you correctly acknowledge, they mostly are obvious males.

when you read a police report that says "woman" we cannot be sure if it is a woman or a trans woman because the police are too stupid to realise that keeping good stats is the basis of good policing. So they have given in to your friends at the TRA lobby and don't record sex plus gender id.

So you can give us the links to the reputable, and peer reviewed studies that back up your ridiculous claim, or we will assume you pulled the numbers from somewhere.

we want the sources. If they are robust you will provide them.

Otherwise I'll assume you plucked them from your backside made them up

😂😆

Also, I'm confused by "y'all" too, why is the fact this is a parenting site relevant? We all know what being female feels like, and for the majority of women our reproductive organs factor one way or another. Maybe you don't know what it feels like, but there you go.

And then you told us it was US data and there was very little. So cobblers, then.

Decent, peer-reviewed, hopefully meta-data where we can analyse the confounding variables, sample size, quality of the questions, biases of the researchers, and so on... Non-existent.

Sagan, again, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.