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Is the Kink Scene a Cult? Interesting Podcast

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BelaLugosisThread · 26/11/2024 08:33

Was I In a Cult UK Kink Scene episode

Latest episodes of the 'Was I In A Cult?' Podcast features a guest who gives a shocking account of the UK Kink Scene. She states the scene acts as a cover for coercive control and abuse and gives a horrifying example of attempts to link 'dark age players' to "Minor Attracted Persons"/ AKA paedophiles

From the comments it appears "Kink shaming" is the new hate crime as there's quite a pile on in response to these episodes. The guest provides a convincing feminist critique of this subculture and I found her story alarming. Yet it appears only 'lived experience' that fits a certain narrative is authentic as she is widely dismissed as phobic and bigoted.

Worth a listen

Spotify

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7wZBTMvqPLRDfQdby4XPnz?si=GYbr_gYtQXuZYryIgN0-Xg

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ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:00

whathaveiforgotten · 29/11/2024 08:22

@ByGentleFatball

I don't want to be.insulting, really, but it sounds like you were a semi junkie if you're the drug taking one hanging out in a dodgy crowd. They just happened to be kinky.

Saying 'I don't want to be insulting' then calling someone 'a semi junkie' is ridiculous.
And mean spirited.

She admitted that she was on loads of drugs at the time.

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:01

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ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:02

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 07:16

That sounds more like the scene I knew.

I would like to know why @ByGentleFatball sought to minimise my experiences by saying I went to a "squat rave", when I specifically said I went to a well known BDSM & fetish club. Did they not want to believe that their scene is capable of crossing and destroying boundaries? Or did they assume that, because I was a troubled young woman with addiction issues, my account was untrue and I mistook a 'squat rave' for a famous club night?

I gave an honest account of some episodes in a very difficult and dark time in my life and I don't appreciate having my experiences dismissed and minimised.

You have an account of a time where you were drug and alcohol dependent.

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:05

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ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:07

Thelnebriati · 29/11/2024 09:44

So they think by shaming kinky people, it will deter their partners from seeking out kinky partners and leaving them.

That argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It also proves that you haven't engaged with any of the objections women have posted right here on this thread.

I have by saying several times that kot all men are sexually dominant. Nobody has engaged with that point. I've pointed out dominant women... nothing. This is all about dominant men spanking submissive women. It bears no actual relevance to kink.

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:08

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/11/2024 08:23

Whataboutery! I suppose that's all you're left with as an argument?

We know a minority of women are abusers, predators, murderers etc which is why safeguarding must acknowledge the risks all adults can pose to the vulnerable. But this is a feminist board that centres women and we are well aware of the grim statistics that highlight the vulnerability of girls and women to aggressive and dangerous men unable to self regulate. Promoting the lifestyles and demands of these men is an odd thing to do on a feminist board.

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I'm asking about sexually dominant women who sexually dominate submissive men. How do they fit into this abuse theory?

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:12

whathaveiforgotten · 29/11/2024 08:29

@ByGentleFatball

You keep asking people to compare men who strange women to women who strangle men.

I would argue that neither is healthy.

But positioning the two as equal is to knowingly ignore the hugely disproportionate number of men killing women in society vs women killing men. This reflects that there are many, many more men who wish to inflict harm on women than the other way around.

And there is also the fact that the size and strength of the average man and woman means that men are massively more likely to be able to stop a physical attack / going 'too far' by a woman than a woman would be by a man. Again making the risk level higher.

Surely responsible people on the kink scene, especially when it comes to strangling, would be even more aware of the above and acknowledge that this particular kink would lend itself to men who are aroused by women being harmed?

Yes we have workshops and courses and all sorts on how to do things safely. Breath play is a kink that some people are into but it isn't that common. It's become more common among vanilla men it seems than it is among kinky men. The most common kinks that dominant people have are to do with impact (like spanking) and bondage/shibari.

Breath play is a niche kink practiced by few and mainly 1v1.

Again, all of these activities are fetishes that some kinky people have. Being kinky doesn't mean you're into A,B and C. It means you might be into A and/or B and/or C.

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:13

ThisBrickOtter · 29/11/2024 13:07

Former dominant woman who abused men, calling in for duty!

On one hand, patriarchy I think skews any attempt to reclaim sexuality as a woman. If you'd actually listened to the podcast you'd know this is covered.

I found it very hard to find men who were not terribly manipulative and with a lot of unresolved issues around shame, not coping with the expectations of toxic masculinity etc. When I spent time with pro-dommes, the abusive and entitled messages they'd get from such men where appalling. I came to the conclusion they were just as sexist, possibly more so than dominant men. Kinda more sneaky about it. Also so porn sick. OMG , every single one of them that I met, porn sick.

Personally, I think I was attracted to the role due to trauma and a desire to subvert sexual norms. I left with more trauma and didn't subvert a thing. I also think I was wrong to cause harm, however unintended and however wrapped up in consent it was, to men with 'submissive' desires.

I just think power games destroy true sexual intimacy. Only exception i can think of may be switches. A type kinda looked down on by many in the scene as not having picked a side.

I continue to work on healing myself, a task that is much easier now my time in that subculture is behind me.

I don't see how being both dominant and submissive would change things. Can you expand on that?

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:17

whathaveiforgotten · 29/11/2024 19:09

Would love @ByGentleFatball to come back to me on my questions from earlier.

Do you honestly think that me believing that men who are sexually aroused by strangling women (even with the woman's consent) are more likely to be dangerous than the average man, is because I'm worried my partner will cheat on me because he might have a kink I don't share?

Do you not believe that a man sexually aroused by strangling women (even with their consent) is more likely than the average man to be dangerous to women?

No. I believe people who display a lack of compassion, empathy and continually break boundaries are most likely to be dangerous. Whether or not they have contact with the kink community is totally irrelevant. Most men who have killed women have never been to a kink event. Most men who have used a rough sex defence have never been to a kink event.

Kink isn't the red flag.

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:18

But I'm done here. I may do a AMA on kink at some point but I bore of labouring over the same topic for hours.

BelaLugosisThread · 30/11/2024 07:22

ThisBrickOtter · 29/11/2024 13:07

Former dominant woman who abused men, calling in for duty!

On one hand, patriarchy I think skews any attempt to reclaim sexuality as a woman. If you'd actually listened to the podcast you'd know this is covered.

I found it very hard to find men who were not terribly manipulative and with a lot of unresolved issues around shame, not coping with the expectations of toxic masculinity etc. When I spent time with pro-dommes, the abusive and entitled messages they'd get from such men where appalling. I came to the conclusion they were just as sexist, possibly more so than dominant men. Kinda more sneaky about it. Also so porn sick. OMG , every single one of them that I met, porn sick.

Personally, I think I was attracted to the role due to trauma and a desire to subvert sexual norms. I left with more trauma and didn't subvert a thing. I also think I was wrong to cause harm, however unintended and however wrapped up in consent it was, to men with 'submissive' desires.

I just think power games destroy true sexual intimacy. Only exception i can think of may be switches. A type kinda looked down on by many in the scene as not having picked a side.

I continue to work on healing myself, a task that is much easier now my time in that subculture is behind me.

@ByGentleFatball WHAT ABOUT COMINANT WOMEN????

What about you RTFT and respond to some of the points raised here. Or better still, listen to the actual podcast we are discussing.

You are coming across a tad hysterical. The kink scene is great for dominant women as there's a plethora of cheating men out to worship their feet? 😆 You're welcome to them!

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BelaLugosisThread · 30/11/2024 07:26

Doh! Dominant. Natch! Is too early...

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ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:29

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ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:29

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:13

I don't see how being both dominant and submissive would change things. Can you expand on that?

Here is where I asked you about your experiences. Kindly read the fucking thread.

BelaLugosisThread · 30/11/2024 07:36

Er that isn't me. I quoted another poster in response to your "what about dominant women?"

But hey; is probably just another junkie, outcast or unhinged woman like everyone else you have dismissed. Unlike you, who is the authoritative voice of kink. So dominant! So powerful! We should all be worshipping your feet along with the cheating scumbags who prop up your ego 😏

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ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:38

BelaLugosisThread · 30/11/2024 07:36

Er that isn't me. I quoted another poster in response to your "what about dominant women?"

But hey; is probably just another junkie, outcast or unhinged woman like everyone else you have dismissed. Unlike you, who is the authoritative voice of kink. So dominant! So powerful! We should all be worshipping your feet along with the cheating scumbags who prop up your ego 😏

So why did you quote a post I've responded to?

Helleofabore · 30/11/2024 07:38

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:18

But I'm done here. I may do a AMA on kink at some point but I bore of labouring over the same topic for hours.

Your posts have certainly been very enlightening into the type of person who would be attracted to these types of sex acts.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/11/2024 07:38

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:29

Here is where I asked you about your experiences. Kindly read the fucking thread.

Goodness. Sounds as if you're angry posters aren't providing the sexual information that you require?

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:39

Helleofabore · 30/11/2024 07:38

Your posts have certainly been very enlightening into the type of person who would be attracted to these types of sex acts.

I think that can be told by the number of thanks I have on posts here

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/11/2024 07:40

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:39

I think that can be told by the number of thanks I have on posts here

😂😂

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:40

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/11/2024 07:38

Goodness. Sounds as if you're angry posters aren't providing the sexual information that you require?

No I'm responding to the accusation that I've not answered the dominant women who have commented.

ALurker99 · 30/11/2024 07:48

God Fatball can you at least stop posting multiple times in a row while calling other posters junkies etc? It's really annoying to read.
Very enlightening thread, though.

BelaLugosisThread · 30/11/2024 07:48

ByGentleFatball · 30/11/2024 07:40

No I'm responding to the accusation that I've not answered the dominant women who have commented.

But you haven't engaged with the substance of what they are saying. The points about pro-dommes being negged by creepy men.. the ultimate point that "domination" is an illusion catering to porn sick male fantasies.

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BelaLugosisThread · 30/11/2024 07:53

GiveMeSpanakopita · 30/11/2024 07:42

Outbursts of indiscriminate anger and malice are often rooted in insecurity and severe cognitive dissonance, and are also often seen in individuals with poor emotional regulation.

https://www.angermanage.co.uk/low-self-esteem-anger/

https://discoverymood.com/blog/anxiety-and-anger/

Ahh Fatball don't need this. She's got all our cheating husbands to worship her feet. Its all the other dommes who are nuts and making the scene bad!

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