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Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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Hoardasurass · 19/11/2024 07:26

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use

A trans war has broken out on Capitol Hill after a Republican lawmaker proposed a measure to block transgender women from using biological women's restrooms in the U.S. Capitol. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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Snowypeaks · 21/11/2024 19:22

duc748 · 21/11/2024 19:13

Btw I had a thought the other day (I know, I know!), would an ordinary X-ray of the pelvis area not sort the ducks from the drakes? Obviously a cheek swab is easier.

You don't want to be giving kids unnecessary x-rays, though.
Birth certificate would do. If the BC is dodgy in some way, or the child's doctor is a genderist and unreliable, you could then do a cheek swab - for the whole class, so as not to single out one child.

Snowypeaks · 21/11/2024 19:24

DerekFaker · 21/11/2024 19:14

Nancy Mace has now been sent an abusive voicemail. By a man, of course.

https://x.com/RepNancyMace/status/1859652766534365382?t=T6hbFEle7i1faz4zEhKVvg&s=19

Abusive and homophobic.

Operation Let Them Speak is in full swing on this one.

GailBlancheViola · 21/11/2024 20:30

Snowypeaks · 21/11/2024 19:24

Abusive and homophobic.

Operation Let Them Speak is in full swing on this one.

Such lovely people, no threat at all ever.

(Sarcasm in case anyone was wondering)

lcakethereforeIam · 21/11/2024 20:50

Is that the 'phone no. the call came from!?

nolongersurprised · 21/11/2024 20:57

lcakethereforeIam · 21/11/2024 20:50

Is that the 'phone no. the call came from!?

TRAs have no impulse control. It’s the cause of their undoing, and I am here for it

spannasaurus · 21/11/2024 20:58

lcakethereforeIam · 21/11/2024 20:50

Is that the 'phone no. the call came from!?

It would appear so

Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress
RedToothBrush · 21/11/2024 21:00

lcakethereforeIam · 21/11/2024 20:50

Is that the 'phone no. the call came from!?

I believe so. That's not so cool.

Someone has posted his address too. There are several comments that the voicemail is full.

It should have been a police job not encouraging harassment as revenge, regardless of how much of a prick this guy is.

I'm guessing he probably won't do it again though.

ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 22:02

Yes, police should be doing the responding.

ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 22:11

Allllllll of the fuss, and threats, and insults hurled at Mace are only proving her points.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/11/2024 00:35

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2024 21:00

I believe so. That's not so cool.

Someone has posted his address too. There are several comments that the voicemail is full.

It should have been a police job not encouraging harassment as revenge, regardless of how much of a prick this guy is.

I'm guessing he probably won't do it again though.

In fairness to Rep Mace, the caller gave his phone number and invited return calls.

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 00:40

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/11/2024 00:35

In fairness to Rep Mace, the caller gave his phone number and invited return calls.

If he didn't use burner app, he was very silly.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

I dislike Mace and her politics, and I know she has no problem with rapists because she supports Trump, but there's no reason to send her death threats.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/11/2024 01:32

I posted this on the thread discussing the Democrats post US election but I think it applies here too - particularly the photos and videos in the second TwiX link at the bottom of my post.


I came across this tweet thread from an American Left-leaning man discussing what’s going on in the US at the moment with regards politics, election fallout, Congressional toilet policy, free speech and I thought it might be of interest to the thread:

https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1859276515508199830

Ok, time for a nuanced discussion on this topic, and some backstory:
I suspect a large chunk of ppl who currently are absolutely opposed to ANY man in women's spaces today (myself included) would have probably agreed with Chad here 5+ years ago (myself included).

Most of us probably would have thought something similar, like "well, if the person is passing and looks like a woman, I don't see the problem with them just using the bathroom". And if that's all that was happening - ppl who pass as women just using the bathroom - the current backlash occuring now likely would never have happened.

But that isn't all that happened, is it?

Over the past few years, it became increasingly clear that something else was going on, and that accelerated when Elon Musk bought this platform and prioritized the ability to speak truth against politically convenient narratives. We started seeing videos of men masturbating in women's bathrooms, started seeing SM posts of very obviously non-dysphoric men taking "trophy hunting" pictures of themselves triumphantly posting pictures of themselves in women's bathrooms, smugly bragging about their new access to these spaces, and gloating about the fact the actual women whom these spaces were created for couldn't do a thing about it. All of these things that we saw were things that we never saw on pre-Musk Twitter, and anyone posting them was banned.

And very quickly, we were radicalized.

There was a window - albeit brief - a few years ago when the trans community could have done something to prevent much of this. They could have acknowledged that self-id was a disaster, that it was a safeguarding nightmare, and that the so-called "true trans" (for lack of a better term) was outnumbered 10 to 1 by predators, perverts, sexual deviants and sex pests PRETENDING to be trans just to satisfy their paraphilic desires. This was obvious to any impartial observer easily a few years ago. Had the trans community correctly recognized the issue, recognized the safeguarding nightmare it was creating, and began policing itself and made very clear that these types of men did not represent their community, things MAY have turned out differently.

But they didn't. Instead, they doubled down, they said "anyone who claims to be trans IS trans" and called anyone concerned about the safety of women and girls in these spaces bigots, Nazis and transphobes. They refused to compromise even one inch, while demanding women give up everything. Absolutely no sacrifices were required by the men who wanted in, and every sacrifice demanded by the women who said no.

And so we were forced to come to the logical conclusion that, well, apparently these predators and sex pests must actually BE part of the trans community. And since they're the majority of the trans community, that must mean the community as a whole is a degenerate, sexually deviant group of predators who are a danger to women and girls, even while we acknowledge that there DO exist trans ppl who are not that, who really just DO want to live their lives in peace. Unfortunately, they are the minority. And in short order, we were radicalized.

And so that window for an alternate scenario closed. Positions have hardened on both sides, and all of the people who might have considered compromise a few short years ago have landed on the only reasonable position: that since the trans community refuses to police itself, we will have to do it for them. And since women CAN NOT TELL which men in their bathrooms "just want to pee" and which ones want to jerk off in the next stall listening to THEM pee, the only safe and effective solution to this problem is that ALL men - regardless of how they identify - must be kept out of women's spaces. And for all these ppl, there is no going back.
And the trans community has absolutely nobody to blame but themselves for that.”

Link below to the rest of his thread (with videos & reports of men behaving inappropriately in women’s public toilets - content warning) which gives examples to explain his change of mind on the issues he discusses above:

https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1859277572359463091

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 01:32

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 00:40

If he didn't use burner app, he was very silly.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

I dislike Mace and her politics, and I know she has no problem with rapists because she supports Trump, but there's no reason to send her death threats.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

Ok, you’re going to have to walk me through this one. The most serious of threat, a death threat, makes it not serious? What?

So does that mean if the caller had threatened to take the staffer out for a cup of tea you’d be sending the feds?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 01:43

If he didn't use burner app, he was very silly.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

I dislike Mace and her politics, and I know she has no problem with rapists because she supports Trump, but there's no reason to send her death threats.

Don't put yourself out condemning violent threats to politicians or anything. How typical of the right side of history (sarcasm)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 01:44

And as pp said, it's just proving her point.

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 01:46

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 01:32

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

Ok, you’re going to have to walk me through this one. The most serious of threat, a death threat, makes it not serious? What?

So does that mean if the caller had threatened to take the staffer out for a cup of tea you’d be sending the feds?

Oh no, death threats ARE serious. I meant he is a fool and a numpty for sending a death threat. This helps no one, and is not harm reductive in the least.

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 01:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 01:43

If he didn't use burner app, he was very silly.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

I dislike Mace and her politics, and I know she has no problem with rapists because she supports Trump, but there's no reason to send her death threats.

Don't put yourself out condemning violent threats to politicians or anything. How typical of the right side of history (sarcasm)

I'm giving it more consideration and energy than any of you have of Mace's support of Trump.

I am certainly giving it more energy than Mace has given protecting women from rapists like Trump.

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 02:02

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 01:46

Oh no, death threats ARE serious. I meant he is a fool and a numpty for sending a death threat. This helps no one, and is not harm reductive in the least.

I think it’s dangerous to assume he’s a fool and a numpty just because he displayed his hatred so openly. Dismissing calls like this as just another crank without investigating or more evidence to hand is a poor risk assessment.

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 02:05

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 01:47

I'm giving it more consideration and energy than any of you have of Mace's support of Trump.

I am certainly giving it more energy than Mace has given protecting women from rapists like Trump.

No, what people here are doing is not getting dragged into whataboutery. You seem to be suggesting that the only people who can bring about changes to protect single sex spaces for woman and girls are people who have no associations at all with anyone you don’t like. So my questions are:

a) how pure does someone need to be before you consider their attempt to protect women’s spaces to be legitimate enough for you? And

b) who do you conceive might fit this criteria? Like a person, or party, who anyone, who would you suggest?

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 03:16

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 02:05

No, what people here are doing is not getting dragged into whataboutery. You seem to be suggesting that the only people who can bring about changes to protect single sex spaces for woman and girls are people who have no associations at all with anyone you don’t like. So my questions are:

a) how pure does someone need to be before you consider their attempt to protect women’s spaces to be legitimate enough for you? And

b) who do you conceive might fit this criteria? Like a person, or party, who anyone, who would you suggest?

Expecting someone who brings a bathroom bill to the table to also speak out against their party leader who has gone into women's change rooms and raped a woman is a pretty small ask.

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 03:18

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 02:02

I think it’s dangerous to assume he’s a fool and a numpty just because he displayed his hatred so openly. Dismissing calls like this as just another crank without investigating or more evidence to hand is a poor risk assessment.

I am sure Mace's security team and the police have it well in hand.

Snowypeaks · 22/11/2024 03:57

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/11/2024 01:32

I posted this on the thread discussing the Democrats post US election but I think it applies here too - particularly the photos and videos in the second TwiX link at the bottom of my post.


I came across this tweet thread from an American Left-leaning man discussing what’s going on in the US at the moment with regards politics, election fallout, Congressional toilet policy, free speech and I thought it might be of interest to the thread:

https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1859276515508199830

Ok, time for a nuanced discussion on this topic, and some backstory:
I suspect a large chunk of ppl who currently are absolutely opposed to ANY man in women's spaces today (myself included) would have probably agreed with Chad here 5+ years ago (myself included).

Most of us probably would have thought something similar, like "well, if the person is passing and looks like a woman, I don't see the problem with them just using the bathroom". And if that's all that was happening - ppl who pass as women just using the bathroom - the current backlash occuring now likely would never have happened.

But that isn't all that happened, is it?

Over the past few years, it became increasingly clear that something else was going on, and that accelerated when Elon Musk bought this platform and prioritized the ability to speak truth against politically convenient narratives. We started seeing videos of men masturbating in women's bathrooms, started seeing SM posts of very obviously non-dysphoric men taking "trophy hunting" pictures of themselves triumphantly posting pictures of themselves in women's bathrooms, smugly bragging about their new access to these spaces, and gloating about the fact the actual women whom these spaces were created for couldn't do a thing about it. All of these things that we saw were things that we never saw on pre-Musk Twitter, and anyone posting them was banned.

And very quickly, we were radicalized.

There was a window - albeit brief - a few years ago when the trans community could have done something to prevent much of this. They could have acknowledged that self-id was a disaster, that it was a safeguarding nightmare, and that the so-called "true trans" (for lack of a better term) was outnumbered 10 to 1 by predators, perverts, sexual deviants and sex pests PRETENDING to be trans just to satisfy their paraphilic desires. This was obvious to any impartial observer easily a few years ago. Had the trans community correctly recognized the issue, recognized the safeguarding nightmare it was creating, and began policing itself and made very clear that these types of men did not represent their community, things MAY have turned out differently.

But they didn't. Instead, they doubled down, they said "anyone who claims to be trans IS trans" and called anyone concerned about the safety of women and girls in these spaces bigots, Nazis and transphobes. They refused to compromise even one inch, while demanding women give up everything. Absolutely no sacrifices were required by the men who wanted in, and every sacrifice demanded by the women who said no.

And so we were forced to come to the logical conclusion that, well, apparently these predators and sex pests must actually BE part of the trans community. And since they're the majority of the trans community, that must mean the community as a whole is a degenerate, sexually deviant group of predators who are a danger to women and girls, even while we acknowledge that there DO exist trans ppl who are not that, who really just DO want to live their lives in peace. Unfortunately, they are the minority. And in short order, we were radicalized.

And so that window for an alternate scenario closed. Positions have hardened on both sides, and all of the people who might have considered compromise a few short years ago have landed on the only reasonable position: that since the trans community refuses to police itself, we will have to do it for them. And since women CAN NOT TELL which men in their bathrooms "just want to pee" and which ones want to jerk off in the next stall listening to THEM pee, the only safe and effective solution to this problem is that ALL men - regardless of how they identify - must be kept out of women's spaces. And for all these ppl, there is no going back.
And the trans community has absolutely nobody to blame but themselves for that.”

Link below to the rest of his thread (with videos & reports of men behaving inappropriately in women’s public toilets - content warning) which gives examples to explain his change of mind on the issues he discusses above:

https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1859277572359463091

Sums it up!

Would you mind posting a threadreader app version of the whole thing as a favour for non-TwiXers?

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 04:04

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 03:18

I am sure Mace's security team and the police have it well in hand.

Yes, luckily it’s them instead of you, who think a person like that isn’t serious.

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 04:08

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 03:16

Expecting someone who brings a bathroom bill to the table to also speak out against their party leader who has gone into women's change rooms and raped a woman is a pretty small ask.

So if Mace said “I don’t align with Trump” and still tried to enforce single sex spaces, you think that would then be a reasonable thing for her to do? So it’s only reasonable if she fulfils your small ask of denouncing someone you don’t like?

Is there anyone else she can’t be aligned with before she’s legitimate, in your eyes?

Is Seth Moulton correct in wanting single sex sports for his daughters, given he’s a Democrat and not aligned with Trump?

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 04:31

NotBadConsidering · 22/11/2024 04:04

Yes, luckily it’s them instead of you, who think a person like that isn’t serious.

I never said I think he isn't serious.

I said he was unserious.

Those are not the same things and have different meanings.