Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

It does make me wonder why some people are so cross that men cannot have the absolute right of access to places where women are vulnerable, or states of undress.

Look here, there, anywhere else. Not at the pertinent issue.

Mace didn't bring this bill forward because of Trump, even though he is the actual threat.

I don't believe trans women are men, so I don't have an issue with them being in women's spaces.

Can't remember where I read it but apparently Helen DeGeneres is moving to the UK because of Trump. I don't like Trump but I certainly don't want all these halfwit TWAW's invading. Please make it stop!!

Mace didn't bring this bill forward because of Trump, even though he is the actual threat.
Anybody male is a potential threat. That's why all male people are excluded.

But why is it bad if Trump gets the chance to assault a woman in a single sex changing room, but not bad if a male who claims to be a woman gets the chance? Like Katie Dolatowski, for example.

I don't believe trans women are men, so I don't have an issue with them being in women's spaces.
Are you saying that your belief that KD is actually a woman makes KD harmless (or not male)?
Is it okay with you if Trump gets the chance to assault a woman in a single sex space as long as he claims to be a woman at the time?

She rejected the notion of adding gender-neutral bathrooms to the Capitol.
'No he can go in the men's room. And he has a bathroom in his office,' she said.

This is the only part I don't understand. Does this not mean 'adding' as in not taking a way single sex spaces but adding on a third choice?

I have never liked shared bathrooms but I do not need to use them, as long as I have my separate women's only area that does not involve penises, I've no issues with a mixed toilet for those who want to use it.

Also I think the vast majority of people think biological men should not be in women's sports no matter which way you lean politically!

I'm not sure what she meant, but apparently there are mixed sex, single-user toilet cubicles in the building.

So, it seems like we can all agree that predatory men like Trump and Dolatowski should be kept out of women’s bathrooms. How should we police that I wonder? Shall we ask them to please stay out if they’re predatory - that should work!

Or we could do the thing that’s kept women’s spaces safer for generations, and tell all men (obviously including transwomen) to stay the fuck out. And guess what, decent men, including decent transwomen, don’t even mind doing that!

I don't care why Mace brought the bill forward. I'm glad someone did. It'll make it harder for all predators whatever her motivation was. It would have been better if the Democrats had seen sanity but we're not in that world.

The good men stay out so the bad men stand out, and fortunately now, in this setting at least, can be forcibly removed.

I note that several transsexuals, like Miranda Yardley, do not use women's bathrooms because they're decent human beings and know doing so will harm and exclude women. I.e. they have empathy for women and are kind.

This issue is such a great way to reveal the misogynists.

Interesting argument that women shouldn't support legislation that's in their favour, if it's put forward by a legislator whom gender ideology believers think hasn't passed the purity test.

I don't believe trans women are men, so I don't have an issue with them being in women's spaces.

but you are factually wrong

you are entitled to your own beliefs but not your own facts

men are not women the same as apples are not oranges if we just just paint it orange and cats are not rabbits if we attach bunny ears to their heads

TW are men, it is the only qualification required

I don't believe trans women are men, so I don't have an issue with them being in women's spaces.

That may be your belief but you are factually wrong.

Humans cannot change sex, any more than any other mammalian species. Sex in humans is binary and immutable. Transwomen are adult male humans who declare themselves female, which is impossible. Whatever they call themselves, however they present, they are adult human males, and the word for such people is men.

Some people believe that the Earth is flat, but they are factually wrong.

@PinkChesnut you think TW are W. That’s your right

according to the trans advocacy charity, GIDS, more than 80% of TW have no genital surgery. Most are intact males. Some might have breast implants or some breast swelling due to hormones. Many keep their beards and male appearance. When they are naked in a changing room, there is no way to differentiate them from other males,

Do you have any understanding of why other women might not want to see a TW’s penis? Or share intimate space and be undressed with someone recognisably male?

if I see a naked male in the open plan changing rooms at my gym, do I have any right to feel uncomfortable? Should I go and ask them how they identify before I strip off for my shower?

Rule One: Women are not responsible for what men say and do.

I don't believe trans women are men, so I don't have an issue with them being in women's spaces.

The definition of a 'transwoman' is a man who claims to be a woman. Of course they're men.

Why is this Mace's job exactly?

What she is doing to support women's single sex spaces is much more effective than her verbalising disdain for the things that men do that you are trying to make her complicit in on here.

Your sexism seeps through every single post.

If a male likes to wear women's clothes and needs to fix his make up he should be able to do so in the men's toilets. It's sexist to suggest otherwise.

I don’t think anyone who supports free access for men into women’s spaces give a toss about crimes against women. For all the faux outrage about NM not calling out men for what they have done. It is all an Aunt Sally.

If people are pushing for men (in whatever guise they present) having access to spaces where women are more vulnerable or in a state of undress, it means in essence they don’t measures to lessen any future rapes or sexual assaults of women. Even if they proffer a philosophical belief that any man is a woman. Even as we know from criminal cases that men (in all their guises) rape, threaten or assault women and girls.

So, for all the diversionary brouhaha and whataboutery over NM. Will removing males (in any guise) from single sex facilities where women are vulnerable, or in a state of undress, help towards lessening opportunities for men to commit sexual and other assaults of women? Or even make women more comfortable.

Yes it will. The time my colleague was cornered by a nasty man, and rescued in the nick of time because another woman saw him going into the women's loos, followed, and helped my colleague repel him, they could then complain immediately that he had entered a space he should not, he got a formal warning, and ultimately lost his job. They didn't have to debate what he did, what his intention vis-a-vis colleague was, whether they interpreted his actions correctly. He was in a place he he had no right to enter, end of.

If he'd been able to say 'oh but I was a woman that day. I had every right to be there, no woman can challenge me' it would have been open season on all of us.

You have to be male to be a TW - by definition.

Sex is not a concept - it is a biological reality.

Governments do tend to reflect the 'mood' of the populace. That's why they are the government.

You cannot consent on behalf of other women.

Perthaps she is simply rejecting the concept of gender identity, full stop. You are either male or female and you should use the faciities provided for your sex.

I don't believe trans women are men, so I don't have an issue with them being in women's spaces

Unfortunately most people disagree with you on most counts. And they're getting increasingly vocal about it.

Both counts not most