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Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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Hoardasurass · 19/11/2024 07:26

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use

A trans war has broken out on Capitol Hill after a Republican lawmaker proposed a measure to block transgender women from using biological women's restrooms in the U.S. Capitol. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 20:16

From the Guardian:

Mace’s bill comes as Republicans have attacked transgender people as part of a broader political culture-war strategy, limiting what bathrooms they can use and the youth sports teams they can play on.
In other parts of the world, when people are "attacked", it means that they are murdered, driven from their homes, stripped of property, imprisoned. In America in 2024, insisting that a male people use the facilities that they have been using until 5 minutes ago is an "attack". Male people's choice of loo is "limited". As are the youth sports teams they can play on. Boo fucking hoo. Join the club. We are all "limited" like that.

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 20:18

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 20:13

She posted on Bluesky a selfie taken in a women’s bathroom, saying: “We’re all just people trying to pee in peace.”

What part of “peeing in peace” involves taking a selfie FFS?

Just walk into the men’s, pee, and walk out. No one cares.

Just walk into the men’s, pee, and walk out. No one cares.

That's part of the problem, I suspect. That no-one cares. Not enough drama. Not an Instagram or TikTok-worthy event.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:18

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:04

What makes this person 'trans' then?

He knows he is not a woman. He was telling his parents at age 6, and is now in his late thirties.

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:19

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:18

He knows he is not a woman. He was telling his parents at age 6, and is now in his late thirties.

If 'he' knows 'he' is not a woman, then what makes him 'trans'?

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:21

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:19

If 'he' knows 'he' is not a woman, then what makes him 'trans'?

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans.

It's not complicated.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:21

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:18

He knows he is not a woman. He was telling his parents at age 6, and is now in his late thirties.

I'm sorry but when people say this, I do think they really have lost the plot.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE SEX.

It doesn't matter what someone thinks they are.

THEY REMAIN THE SEX THEY WERE BORN.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:23

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 20:16

From the Guardian:

Mace’s bill comes as Republicans have attacked transgender people as part of a broader political culture-war strategy, limiting what bathrooms they can use and the youth sports teams they can play on.
In other parts of the world, when people are "attacked", it means that they are murdered, driven from their homes, stripped of property, imprisoned. In America in 2024, insisting that a male people use the facilities that they have been using until 5 minutes ago is an "attack". Male people's choice of loo is "limited". As are the youth sports teams they can play on. Boo fucking hoo. Join the club. We are all "limited" like that.

Let me get my really tiny violin.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:23

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:21

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans.

It's not complicated.

So you admit he's not a woman. And that he's trans.

So if he's not a woman and he's trans, whats wrong with the unisex facilities? Why does he have to use the SINGLE SEX ones designated for FEMALES?

This is not a difficult issue to get around if you respect women.

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:24

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:21

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans.

It's not complicated.

So she is a woman who thinks she is a man? So not a 'he' then?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:24

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans

But "he" is a woman though. An adult female human being. It's not complicated.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:27

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:23

So you admit he's not a woman. And that he's trans.

So if he's not a woman and he's trans, whats wrong with the unisex facilities? Why does he have to use the SINGLE SEX ones designated for FEMALES?

This is not a difficult issue to get around if you respect women.

For clarity, he is AFAB.

No, he is not a woman, he is a trans man.

And he isn't trying to use women's toilets, he is not a woman. He uses the men's.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:28

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 20:16

From the Guardian:

Mace’s bill comes as Republicans have attacked transgender people as part of a broader political culture-war strategy, limiting what bathrooms they can use and the youth sports teams they can play on.
In other parts of the world, when people are "attacked", it means that they are murdered, driven from their homes, stripped of property, imprisoned. In America in 2024, insisting that a male people use the facilities that they have been using until 5 minutes ago is an "attack". Male people's choice of loo is "limited". As are the youth sports teams they can play on. Boo fucking hoo. Join the club. We are all "limited" like that.

Funnily enough girls can't play on boys teams if they don't have a gender identity issue.

Are they 'limited' by this?

Is it an 'attack' to prevent mixed sex teams? Or was there actual reasoning to single sex teams in the first place which people seem to have forgotten because their brains fell out.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:29

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:27

For clarity, he is AFAB.

No, he is not a woman, he is a trans man.

And he isn't trying to use women's toilets, he is not a woman. He uses the men's.

SHES A WOMAN WITH A FANTASY BELIEF.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:24

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans

But "he" is a woman though. An adult female human being. It's not complicated.

No, he's a man. Your opinion on his gender doesn't define him or change what he is.

You do not have that control over someone else.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:30

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:29

SHES A WOMAN WITH A FANTASY BELIEF.

Capital letters are entirely unmoving, and unsurprisingly, do not change what he is.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:30

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:24

So she is a woman who thinks she is a man? So not a 'he' then?

I noted the slip up on the pronouns too.

Even those who believe in this nonsense are incapable of 'getting it right'.

Cos deep down they still know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:32

No, he's a man. Your opinion on his gender doesn't define him or change what he is.

My opinion on this person's sex, and this person's opinion, are equally irrelevant. Sex is binary and immutable, like it or not.

Being a woman doesn't need to hold any of us back. It's not a value judgement. It's just biological reality.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:33

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:30

I noted the slip up on the pronouns too.

Even those who believe in this nonsense are incapable of 'getting it right'.

Cos deep down they still know.

I've never referred to him as she, because he is not a woman.

It's wild how you are disregulating over this and attempting exert control over other people and their identities to soothe yourself.

You don't need to treat anyone with dignity or believe anyone if you don't want to, but your choice of words have no power over how someone else feels about themselves.

Wishing you calm days ahead.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:34

No soothing needed. You can't change sex.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:34

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:29

No, he's a man. Your opinion on his gender doesn't define him or change what he is.

You do not have that control over someone else.

I'm sorry, but why does she have control over me then?

She wants me to use male pronouns. Thats exerting control over me.

Then there's my brother who tried to rewrite my entire history and entire identity by exerting his control over me when he decided that his identity could be changed and that the right to self determination, only applied to him.

This is not how identity works. It is NOT individual. It is NOT neutral. It has ramifications and impact on others, particularly those closest to an individual in terms of THEIR identity.

We should have the right to say no if we do not believe in this.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:36

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:33

I've never referred to him as she, because he is not a woman.

It's wild how you are disregulating over this and attempting exert control over other people and their identities to soothe yourself.

You don't need to treat anyone with dignity or believe anyone if you don't want to, but your choice of words have no power over how someone else feels about themselves.

Wishing you calm days ahead.

Wow.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2024 20:36

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:21

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans.

It's not complicated.

Ah so he’s magically managed to change his internal skeletal structure then?

not got the one on the right anymore?

he’s a medical marvel!!

Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress
RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:36

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2024 20:36

Ah so he’s magically managed to change his internal skeletal structure then?

not got the one on the right anymore?

he’s a medical marvel!!

And DNA.

And responsiveness and tolerance to drugs.

Amazing isn't it?

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2024 20:38

your choice of words have no power over how someone else feels about themselves.

Anybody's choice of words has precisely zero impact on whether or not that person has XX or XY chromosomes.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:32

No, he's a man. Your opinion on his gender doesn't define him or change what he is.

My opinion on this person's sex, and this person's opinion, are equally irrelevant. Sex is binary and immutable, like it or not.

Being a woman doesn't need to hold any of us back. It's not a value judgement. It's just biological reality.

I would strongly disagree. At worst, science is still debating and it's undecided, at best, sex is a spectrum.

https://www.sapiens.org/biology/biological-science-rejects-the-sex-binary-and-thats-good-for-humanity/

Biological Science Rejects the Sex Binary, and That’s Good for Humanity

Science reveals diverse ways of being male, female, or both. An anthropologist argues that embracing this truth will help humans flourish.

https://www.sapiens.org/biology/biological-science-rejects-the-sex-binary-and-thats-good-for-humanity