Sure. Troll farms exist.
So does traditional media still and so does human interaction.
Your posts have been constantly dismissive about the very nature of how this overall issue has spread and how under the overall issue is numerous aspects that interconnect. It has been explained to you repeatedly over at least two threads that these issues are impacting on people’s everyday lives. And that people are talking about the impacts with others.
No one doubts there are troll farms. No one.
But you seem unable to understand that it is unlikely that there are parents of any child under probably 20 years old who hasn’t directly had a conversation about this topic. In my own teen’s group of friends, out of 7 of them, 5 all declared a trans identity. In my own group of friends, I have a growing number of them with children who have declared trans identities. And we discuss this in group get togethers including the school’s reactions. And the schools changing toilets and away every accomodation policies to suit. And scouting and girl guiding groups, not just schools. No bots needed. And this is not a left wing/right wing issue.
You seem unable to understand the lasting impact that any woman going into a store now to try on clothes and finding any male in there feels. I have a close friend who was photographed as she left a cubicle by a male who identitied as a female. I have had many other friends tell me they no longer try on clothes because they don’t feel secure in store changing areas due to first hand experience. No bots needed. And this is not a left wing/right wing issue.
You seem unable to understand just how widely sport impacts families and how male inclusion in sport directly impacts families. And that women who never thought they would ever protest are out there protesting at sporting events or in front of organisations making decisions to allow male people into sport. I regularly host women only social events, nothing to do with feminist groups, and after each Olympics the topic of discussion has been about watching the national TV channel news and the Olympic events and understanding there were male athletes competing as female athletes. No bots needed. And this is not a left wing/right wing issue.
Then despite some poster’s declarations that no one can tell, women can tell. And now many can tell you their direct personal experience of finding a male in their toilets if they are active and travelling widely. They can tell you how they felt uncomfortable if you let them tell you without judgement. And this is not a left wing/right wing issue.
Then in those same discussions they will tell you about how, again on the national news channels they are listening to or watching they have heard about the women in prison with male people being put there, or the male rapist / murderer that has just gone through court and the news has called that person a woman.And this is not a left wing/right wing issue.
Or that a distinctly male looking and sounding person won an award meant for a woman the other day and was being celebrated. Or they read about them in the printed magazine at the hairdreasers, doctors surgery, dentist surgery where ever those print mags still exist. And they don’t think any of it is progressive. Again no bots needed. And this is not a left wing/right wing issue.
Because even the most left wing people I know are discussing their concerns with people when they feel they will not be judged negatively for it. They have not moved towards the right politically at all. This issue is defying the political divide.
Your continued posts have ignored that by now there are very few women and men who haven’t seen what has been happening without any need for the bots you have claimed to be amplifying reach. And then during the election cycles in various countries, there is no need for bots to raise the awareness, those everyday people are there seeing the speeches from candidates, they are seeing the political debates.
You seem to exist in a world where you believe that everyone is existing on line. I live in a world where many people I know don’t even have social media at all. I have IT friends who actively shun social media. I have other friends who simply don’t bother with social media or anything online much at all. They all end up with similar opinions on this topic.
So Sure there are troll farms. But you have doubled down on multiple threads now and never fully explained your thinking, in fact you make snide remarks when people indicate they cannot see your thinking beyond repetitive claims of ‘bots!’. And you seem to lack the ability to understand that this topic is now so widely impacting on society that people are talking about it and concerned about it because they are experiencing it themselves. No internet amplification involved in many of my real life friend’s cases.
I hand out leaflets and have had a huge range of conversations about it in the middle of shopping areas. I don’t believe I have had one conversation with someone who has not directly seen the impact for themselves yet. Honestly, no troll farms needed to amplify the issue. It is everyday people navigating the issues and now talking about it.
So why do you think people who only listen to PBS or other national news carriers, only read the traditional papers but still have come to the same conclusions because of their personal
interactions have been influenced by bots? Or is it possible that by now, such a large portion of society have directly seen the impacts themselves and feel that there are issues to be addressed?
For your troll farm assertions to be effective, there would not have to be the breadth and depth of impact on people’s everyday lives. They would not be having this discussion at the school gate, around the BBQ, across the fence and at work or with family. Sure there may be some troll farm amplification, but the degree of it that you claim is being rejected because people are having these conversations in real life and with people directly impacted.