This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

Christians exist, Muslims exist, vegetarians exist. There's a different level of objectivity between something measurable such as "people over 6' tall exist" and a belief system. If your statement were "people who believe they are trans exist" then that would have the same objective value as any physically observable characteristic. But "trans people exist" does not carry that weight. The phrasing assumes the truth of a belief that has not been established.

Sex isn’t “assigned” at birth 🙄.

”girl” and “boy” are labels/ words assigned to describe a person (almost always) based on their genitals, in the same way that “brick” is a word assigned to describe a particular type of object.

As for “Some people are neither. Some people are both” - why lie to children?

More importantly- who benefits when children’s sense of self is confused so early?

Thanks for the explanation. So it's because it wouldn't have enough support? Is that right? Does any party routinely propose an amendment?

Unless there's a massive change in views, those who are implacably opposed to abortion would always be enough in number to block the constitutional change.

The Democrats do propose enshrining a right to abortion as a constitutional right, knowing that it's impossible, as a way to control women who wish for such a thing. Although to be fair, "Vote for us and we'll give you this thing we know we can't deliver." isn't unique to the Democrats or to US politics.

• 'Boy' and 'girl' relates to the biological sex of a young human (male or female).
• Biological sex is defined by gametes.
• Usually you can tell if the baby's body has developed for the production of sperm (male) or eggs (female) by their external genetalia.
• If there has been a developmental issue (a DSD) then tests can establish the sex of the baby.

Ergo, it is not just about genitals.
Whether you are male or female does not prevent you from liking things that are sterotypically associated with the opposite sex.
The rigid sterotypes are the issue, not the existance of biological sex.

As for “Some people are neither. Some people are both” - why lie to children?

Well yes, this is undoubtedly an oversimplification, but I guess it’s just trying to explain the diversity of trans experience in a simple way for a small child.

More importantly- who benefits when children’s sense of self is confused so early?

Teaching children about trans people won’t confuse their “sense of self” any more than teaching them about different types of relationships, sexualities, races, abilities, etc.

Teaching children about trans people won’t confuse their “sense of self” any more than teaching them about different types of relationships, sexualities, races, abilities, etc

It will confuse them.
Children know jolly well that there are boys and girls.

Just that.

Relationship education and teaching about racism is not at all the same thing as trying to tell them that boys can turn into girls, if they chose to.

It is also concerning that people insist on reducing complexity and nuance to such black and white thinking. Nobody votes for someone on account of one children's book......but the book is a symbol and a manifestation of a larger ideological capture - one that people are rejecting.

You'd be better off getting some pet chickens and breeding them than getting the book in the OP.

“Boy” and “girl” are labels almost always assigned to people on the basis of their genitals. It’s very unusual for that not to be the case.

This also usually provides us good predictor of what gametes a person has, although not always. I’d be very happy to teach a child that too although it would be getting rather more complex.

(I certainly wouldnt object to a children’s book explaining that or using it as an excuse for voting Trump.)

children are either a boy or a girl. It’s very confusing for them to be taught (lied to) that they might be neither, or both.

Especially when their sense of who or what they are is based on regressive sex stereotypes.

The " trans experience" is an adult construction, and an ideological one.

It’s really not an “adult” construction . There are lots of trans children.

Sex is recorded, not 'assigned'. Genitals are the outer manifestation of chromosomes. Sex is in every cell of the body.

It is very cultish to impose such unrealistic, adult concepts and desires onto a child.

So, you accept that the external genitals that developed in the womb, in all but some rare cases of DSDs, relate to the gametes produced (will/should be produced) by that individual?

Plus that it is the gametes that are the important bit when it comes identifying biological sex?

'Trans' is a construction. A framing device. It is the way that people frame their desire to be, or present as, the opposite sex; or even the fantastical concept of no sex at all ( non binary). Nobody is literally the other sex to that which they are. Adults have various motivations for adopting such a constructed identity.

Most children who are adopting such identities are nascently gay or lesbian, or else on the autistic spectrum and naturally non conforming with gender streotypes.

Oh dear. Monitors.

Let’s just say that I agree that “trans” is very much an adult construction.

“Boy” and “girl” are labels almost always assigned to people on the basis of their genitals

Nonsense. The sex of a baby is observed at birth.

There is no need to "assign a label" FFS

I saw your post and glad your girls have strong boundaries @nolongersurprised

So you keep saying.

But what does it actually mean?

What characteristic of their genitalia determines whether they are a girl or or a boy

Absolutely external genitals mostly correlate to gametes, although there are also variations / differences in development where this isn’t the case.

How do you teach children about sexualities? If you can't define what girl, boy, man, woman is.

But luckily, with antenatal screening now, DSDs aren’t a surprise, so there’s hardly any need for sex to be “assigned”.

Isn’t it great that that outdated terminology can be retired?