US Election results

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Kamala Harris 27
45.2% popular vote
12,768,875 votes

Donald Trump 99
53.8% popular vote
15,275,564 votes

270 to win

U.S. election results 2024 | CBC News

6/11/2024 @ 01:25 GMT

Whoeever wins, look on the bright side - at least the other one didn't.

You only need to tolerate half the possible shit.

Last time he was elected he had more sensible people around him. The guard rails are off now.
He might work well on the trans issue in America, that might prove worse for us though. In that he will be pointed at as the sort of person, and views, we should be distancing ourselves from.

I wish I could say I was surprised by this result but I'm not.

I broadly agree with the Democrats about most things except all the trans nonsense, but I find them completely uninspiring and out of touch.

We've seen the same thing over and over again in the last ten years (since I started to take an interest in politics) and probably a lot longer. We saw it with Scottish independence, Brexit, Trump 2016 and now Trump again. The more "establishment" side have absolutely nothing to offer other than scare tactics about what will happen if people vote for the maverick. People want to vote for something, not against something.

I posted in this forum a while back about having been kicked out of a US based parenting group for politely disagreeing that JK Rowling is a Nazi. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that group today. With them, I thought a huge part of the problem is that they just cancel anyone who disagrees with them about anything. If you refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't already agree with you about anything you are never going to get anywhere. You'll never win anyone over to your point of view or achieve any kind of meaningful change.

A lot of people will say it's because America is fundamentally sexist and racist and a black woman was never going to beat a white man to the White House. Whilst I think there is probably some truth in that, Obama won two terms and Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, so it clearly isn't beyond the realms of possibility for a woman or a person of colour to be POTUS. The problem here is that Biden has been one foot in the grave for most of his term and Kamala has been nowhere to be seen. I don't think I saw her in the news once between Biden's election four years ago when she was his running mate and a few months ago when he finally accepted that he couldn't run for a second term.

The thing about abortion rights is that the Democrats have been using it as a stick and carrot to beat women with whilst making promises that they've never followed through on nor ever will otherwise they would have fixed it in the last 4 years.
Ps roe v wade was a bad judgment (made for the right reasons) that was open to reversal since it was made every Democrat government since has known this fact and rather than amending the constitution to guarantee abortion rights they chose to do nothing so they could use it as a threat to keep women in line.

I am gender critical and pro-women's rights. I believe that the Trump election is terrifying for women and trans-identifying people alike.

Hannah Barnes recently posted this. Young American men seem full of rage and they blame women & immigrants for whatever it is in their life they think they don’t have

Trump is a terrible person but we had all this apocalyptic nonsense the last time he was elected.
Does anyone remember the brilliant Jonathan Pie podcast from then? Unfortunately I can't find it, otherwise I'd post it.

@Hoardasurass do you know if is there an explanation as to why democrats haven't done anything to improve abortion rights this term? Are their hands tied with the Supreme Court being essentially republican atm? Or is it the age old too political to touch?

This is really really scary.

Everyone here knows my thoughts on the gender bollocks and how much I thought it was dangerous. This isn't unexpected for that reason.

Trans ideology was the result of hatred for women and it's a mens rights movement.

And Trump harnesses incel sentiment.

It's very worrying indeed.

This ISN'T a good day for women's rights. As much as I want the trans militancy to stop.

How can any feminist vote for a misogynist rapist whose Supreme Court puppets overturned Roe vs Wade?

I realise that some FWR posters are actually not feminists and are only here for the sex realism, but still.

This ISN'T a good day for women's rights. As much as I want the trans militancy to stop.

It'll make it worse I think, sure they might not get any laws, but it'll cause deeper divisions, louder voices, and (even more) self righteousness. I think it'll make liberal commentators in the UK more militant too, the fact Trump won't support trans rights just solidifies the belief trans rights are something to fight for.

It is, it must be unbelievably scary to be a young woman in America atm where young men are so angry, want a return to ‘traditional values’ ie women back in the kitchen and have that special American bonus of incredibly easy access to guns

id be getting the hell out

Well if Trump does allow another election, this would be a good way to lose it.

Perhaps you should ask them....and listen to what they say....because the issues that people were voting on will remain issues even should Trump have to step back in a couple of years.

The thing to remember about abortion is there are millions of Americans, including millions of women, and billions around the world, who think abortion is a bad thing.

Not so much from rapists

Yeah, gotta be a positive for the protection of women and girls when the American president brags about sexually assaulting them.

Trump has his own "gender ideology" which is actually very similar to the trans ideology. Women should look and act a certain way. We exist to be pretty and stupid. That's why radical feminism exists, because of people like him, not because of trans people! He is the original enemy of women. Should we be grateful for your average misogynist just because he's also a transphobe? The reasons he's a transphobe are not intellectual or feminist. We don't have to support actual transphobes just because they acknowledge the biological differences between the sexes. We're not transphobes; we're feminists!

But for woman and girls health it's bloody awful .

I am asking, and listening. Can you tell me what makes a feminist lend her vote to someone like Trump?

That's the question that democrats and other "progressives" need to ponder.

But I guess it's a lot easier just to put it down to people being thick and bigoted than actually listen to what is being said.

Yes.
Difference over here though is that most of the anti abortionists 1) are not anti in any circumstances 2) regard the abortion question as a matter of personal conscience.
IMO, anyway.

To guarantee abortion rights an amendment would need to be made to the constitution, to do this a bill would need to make it through both the senat and the house of Congress and I doubt that the Biden administration had the votes. However they didn't even try to win over republican reps because they (the Democrats) would need to use political capital to win them over for this 1 vote and it was deemed not worthy of such effort, especially when they can still use it as a threat against women to coerces their vote

Yeah, still not hearing why.

You need to ask a feminist who voted for Trump I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️

I'm not American, but i imagine there were numerous reasons. The word 'feminist' as you are using it seems to imply that women's issues and perspectives must all be viewed through progressive/left wing lens - but they are not. Some women might actually think women's needs, and certainly women with children, are best met within a strong family network.

I imagine many women feel the economy and their family finances are the most important issue; and many will have been concerned not just with that but with ideological capture in schools around gender identity, around boys in girls sports and so on. Riley Gaines came out for Trump on issues such as this - and was an excellent spokeswoman and campaigner for women and girls rights.

I imagine many felt alienated by the progressive west coast liberalism espoused by Kamala Harris - even if she, and they, also believe in a woman's right to choose. Antifa, rioting in Portland, Defund the Police...stuff like that. illegal migration, of course...as is the same across Europe

Behind Trump is the Republican Party......and even should Trump stand back they will still represent those women on those sorts of issues. I see that the Republicans won back the senate - which means people were also voting for Republican candidates, as well as for Trump.