GC feminism in US election

[theDudesmummy]

How are they voting? I sometimes follow a US feminist YouTube channel, IHIP news, and one of the presenters (a straight woman) was talking today about standing in the queue to vote and seeing some friends there Four were lesbians, she said, and they hugged her and "knew I was a safe place" for them, or something to that effect. Then her "transwoman" friend came and hugged her. She is voting Democrat for all these friends, she said.

How is she squaring the rights of the lesbians with the rights of the man who is pretending to be a woman and presumably feels entitled to be considered by the lesbians as a potential sexual partner?

Now if I was an American I would vote Democrat because of everything else but would feel unsettled as I did it because of the trans rights issue. How are the GC women there voting?

Trump might know what a woman is, but only so he can assault, oppress and control them.

Now I'm wondering whether creating a law to protect the right to abortion is even something the president can do (maybe that's why Obama didn't do it).

Harris has said she will abolish the filibuster to facilitate a national ban on anti-abortion legislation. She has a plan.

I'm out now. Pointless talking to people who have no clue whatsoever about american politics or the american constitution.

Personally, as a non-US voter, this is what I would do, but mainly because Trump is so dangerous in other matters.

I agree with Alison that Democrats are talking big on abortion but their failure to shore up protections in all the times they’ve been in office since Roe vs Wade doesn’t inspire confidence that Harris will come in and magically solve the problem.

Abortion is a state issue usually. I have seen an article that listed ways Harris could help federally but it’s not going to be a transformative “women are now liberated from oppression!” with respect to abortion, sadly. On the plus side, pushing back against trans ideology and medicalisation and sterilisation of children is also a state issue, so I would hope that would continue despite a Harris administration.

The Democrat approach to gender ideology is dangerous, but overall Trump is worse. So push back against it at a state level and majorly pressure them federally on stuff like Title IX.

Abortion is a state issue usually.

No. It was a federal issue - a constitutional right guaranteed to all women. It became a state issue 2 years ago under Dobbs. Since then some states have left 18 year olds to die of sepsis or 11 year olds have to travel to another state to have a termination after rape.

Stop rewriting history. Women and girls - little girls - in the USA had a constitutional right to privacy with their health. Then after Dobbs they didn't.

Apparently Ruth bader Ginsburg was not a fan of Roe being the way the US gained abortion protection for women.

I hope Harris has a plan. We'll see if she delivers.

Many people warned for years that Roe vs Wade was legally weak, including RBG, but no one listened to her or took action to come up with a better federal law. Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden. Did nothing.

As it is currently, abortion is legal in some states and not in others. It’s currently a state issue. That’s not re-writing history, that’s a description of the current state of affairs! I think it’s idealistic to think that Harris will come in and make transformative federal law changes that grant access to abortion across all the states without certain states pushing back big time. Any law enacted will go to SCOTUS and unless Harris has the opportunity to change the makeup of SCOTUS, laws may be struck down.

Harris is the best option for women on abortion over Trump, but I am pointing out some realism of what to actually expect from a Harris administration.

X post about RBG.

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240315-in-history-ruth-bader-ginsburg-foresaw-threat-to-us-abortion-access

Don't talk to me about RBG - if she had retired when she should have the supreme court would not have decided Dobbs as it was

Seriously are we really saying it was Carter, Clinton Obama and Biden who removed the CONSTITUTIONAL right to abortion from women. As long as it was a constitutional right no one felt any urgency about enshrining it in any other legislation. it had the highest imprimatur.

We ALL know it was the republicans. Stop trying to spread the blame for what one party did.

I've never really understood the privacy argument - it seems a really odd basis for abortion rights. Surely a right to abortion should be based on bodily autonomy and women's human rights? The point is, it was clear Roe was not some cast iron ruling that could never be overturned and I think the Democrats should have done more to ensure that if roe was overturned, women would still have a right to choose everywhere in the US.

Criticizing democratic failures / pointing out the obvious doesn't mean agreement with the other side.

Like I know it is all angels dancing on the head of a needle for you guys in the UK (Or you russian bots) but this is reality for my daughters.

Blame is due on both sides. The anti abortionists didn't do this by stealth.

The problem is men, including democratic men, don't care enough about women's human rights.

Yeah dummledore, the women of america really appreciate that you don't understand their rights under Roe so are glad to forego them because you don't quite get it.

Roe was decided 50 years ago. It was decided law. Every supreme court justice said they would uphold decided law (even though most women didn't believe them). Until they went back on what they said - lied - and said something different..

Women in america are dying and suffering because of republican politicians. That didn't happen because Clinton didn't codify an abortion law. It happened because of Dobbs - thank you Trump.

No, what people are saying, is that past history of federal inaction on abortion does not bode well for future action from Harris. Calling regular posters “Russian bots” for pointing out the realities of this isn’t very productive to discussion 🙄

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There was no need for federal action because abortion was acknowledged by the Supreme Court as a constitutional right.

Dobbs - in a court loaded by Trump - changed that. It removed the constitutional right to abortion from women. The first time a right was taken away from americans by the supreme court.

Harris has said she will change the filliburster to enshrine pro- women legislation.

But you are right. I'm sure those regular posters aren't russian bots. They are just uninformed posters who sound like russian bots.

If I were in that situation, I'd agree with the position get Kamala now, solve trans later.

Actually, after reading some stories of teenage girls from some rural US areas, I would have been be a non-binarity activist there myself. In their situation I'd be absolutely willing to give up the word "woman" to be allowed to live as myself.

There was no need for federal action because abortion was acknowledged by the Supreme Court as a constitutional right.

But many people, legal scholars, academics, feminists etc, warned for years that it was weak and could easily be overturned. So there was need for federal action. But everyone kept putting it off, and those warnings proved correct.

Harris has said she will change the filliburster to enshrine pro- women legislation.

That’s what’s she’s said. Of course, the likelihood of abortion rights being protected federally are much better under Harris than Trump, but I think a reality check is in order. What’s your honest appraisal of how likely it is that she will:

a) actually do this

b) do it successfully, and navigate all the roadblocks it will meet to be enacted and
c) survive a SCOTUS challenge from certain states?

That, but also Ruth B-G not stepping down and passing the baton before she died. That just paved the way for Trump to stuff the SC with crazy pro-life nutjobs like Amy whatsherface and then Roe goes poof! Another entirely predictable outcome that could have been prevented.

AOC says (US) Green Party is 'predatory' for opposing trans women in female sports teams
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14038571/aoc-green-party-predatory-trans-women-female-sports.html

It’s such a shit choice for the US electorate. Each election seems to get worse. On both sides of the pond!

As a GC woman in the US, my feeling is we get Kamala in office and sort out the trans bullshit later. Trump is a friend to no one,

Sound response. Trump is a menace. The tide is gradually turning re the TRA crap anyway, though it may be a harder task in the US due to partisanship.

Hoping Harris can pull it out of a hat, although I'm starting to get a sinking feeling in my stomach.

Partisanship and the ungodly amounts of money on the trans gravy train

For me there's no contest, trump is a convicted rapist who brags about sexually assaulting women and has a host of accusations against him. He is against abortion (politically, not in his personal life). People I know are voting along party lines really ie same as they always have.

@Grammarnut in response to your question, it's because of their (bonkers) religious beliefs.

It's a clever trick how it's impossible to reconcile GC views and being left of center, on both sides of the Atlantic. It hurts to see so many intelligent, politically aware women acting as handmaidens because of this.

Piffle. It was not Democrats.