GC feminism in US election

[theDudesmummy]

How are they voting? I sometimes follow a US feminist YouTube channel, IHIP news, and one of the presenters (a straight woman) was talking today about standing in the queue to vote and seeing some friends there Four were lesbians, she said, and they hugged her and "knew I was a safe place" for them, or something to that effect. Then her "transwoman" friend came and hugged her. She is voting Democrat for all these friends, she said.

How is she squaring the rights of the lesbians with the rights of the man who is pretending to be a woman and presumably feels entitled to be considered by the lesbians as a potential sexual partner?

Now if I was an American I would vote Democrat because of everything else but would feel unsettled as I did it because of the trans rights issue. How are the GC women there voting?

The ones I've seen talk about it are very conflicted. Abortion on one hand; genderism on the other.

It's choosing the least worst of two awful options. Difficult to determine who that is as well, they're both awful for women.

In some states women are dying for lack of access to safe abortion now but on the other hand how can you even fight for abortion rights if discussion of female biology becomes a hate crime, which is the clear direction of travel with the Dems. Also the Dems are in favour of housing rapists with female prisoners, which is a horrific human rights abuse and will eventually result in pregnancies if it hasn't already. Glad I'm not a US voter. I've heard some women say they'll write in someone else.

I am in the US and I had no hesitation in casting a ballot for Harris. Women are dying because of Trump's abortion ban (and yes it was his). you have to decide what battle matters more and this - and all the other shit like the attack on democracy for example - matter more to me right now.

Any anti-trans laws in effect in states right now will be unaffected by Harris's election.

Also, I fundamentally disagree with politicians/governments mandating for or against medical treatment - whether that be puberty blockers for children or abortion care for women and girls or sterilization for some in the community. It is the medical community and experts who need to lead on this. I hope to god there are some big law suits in the future by adults rendered infertile and aorgasmic by treatment they received when they were too young to understand.

I voted Dem today. The gender identity is really the only thing I disagree with the Democrats on. There is progressive anti-semitism, but it's not from Democrat establishment as they still see US as Israel's ally.

Abortion restrictions just killed a 18 year old girl in Texas the other day because the doctors refused to intervene. She died from sepsis while her mother screamed for someone to do something.

Women die from lack of health care for abortion and miscarriage. It's a horrible choice we feminists have to make but I prefer all the other good things Dems do for women and children: health care maternity leave, subsidies, etc. I'm aware this means there are children lost to gender identity but I had to make a choice and feel the Dems help more women and girls than the GOP.

It was the Democrats who attacked democracy in 2016, putting out conspiracy theories to invalidate the vote for Trump. We saw a similar effect in the UK over the Brexit vote, and more recently in Moldovia (I think) where the government thought that they would lose a referendum on joining the EU and so put out a story that Russians had infiltrated and put out dis-information re EU membership. The attack on democracy is from the left rather than the right, including in the US.

Nobody will need abortions once they sterilise all the kids so....

yeah right. Happy with my vote.

Do you have any opinion on the attack on democracy on January 6th?

Don't bother replying.

so you would have voted for Trump? Is that what you are saying?

and that lie about the dems invalidating democracy in 2016. Clinton conceded and attended the inauguration of Trump. Can you say the same about him?

I really don't get why US states think that a woman who is miscarrying and has onset of sepsis cannot have a simple surgical procedure. Ectopic pregnancies, unstoppable miscarriages, malformations incompatible with life are all cause to end a pregnancy, as is a dead baby in the womb, and a mother in need of urgent treatment which will compromise the child. Are they all mad? None of these are abortions in any sense, there is no viable child to preserve. I live in the UK and there is no argument but that abortion is legal up to 24 weeks (though some think this limit needs to be reduced) and legal after that for therapeutic reasons i.e. the child is dead, cannot live or will live an agonising few hours if brought to birth etc. Removal of an ectopic pregnancy is a surgical procedure, too. I don't like elective abortions but I would never impose my view on anyone else, and I support therapeutic abortion.
Doctors in Texas who allowed a girl to die rather than remove what was causing the sepsis ought to be sued for malpractice. I hope they are.

The media carried the story that Russians had intervened for months - rather like Brexit. The only foreign power that intervened in the EU referendum was France - with some French people coming to London and giving out croissants, until stopped by police who pointed out that giving voters croissants (or any other comestible) was contrary to UK electoral law.

As a GC woman in the US, my feeling is we get Kamala in office and sort out the trans bullshit later. Trump is a friend to no one,

Harris is the lesser of two poor choices imo. It’s shocking in a country cause of the US that these are the best two candidates.

I despise Trump for many reasons but the abortion ban is top of the list. Under the current situation if I lived in the US I would have died. I miscarried and I was haemorrhaging. I needed emergency surgery to stem the bleeding and a D&C. In the current state in the US I’d have bled to death with an unviable foetus inside me.

you are in the UK so you have zero understanding of the laws applied in Texas or anywhere else.

Almost amusing that you think your opinion on what obgyns in texas should do within the law is better than their opinion. Such stupid arrogance. While women die. so glad you don't have a vote in the US.

And you know of course (bot maybe?) that you are utterly parroting the republican/Trump party line. We got rid of abortion - yea to us! If women die as the result of our laws it it the doctors fault- boo to the doctors.

I'd have more respect if people like you owned their actions.

They need the promise of sorting out abortions to keep women voting for the Democrats. They never actually sort it out do they?

They have no intention of ever doing so otherwise they lose the carrot.

Utterly bizarre comment.

@pallisers I genuinely can't understand what your stance is

If you think Russia didn’t intervene with the 2016 election and every election since, then you need to do some more reading. Russia, China, and North Korea are right into this kind of thing. They also cyberattack military, government and banking organisations hundreds of times a week. You’re being incredibly naïve.

They never actually sort it out? Welcome to up is down black is white rhetoric.

The democrats never needed to promise to sort out abortions because Roe v Wade guaranteed abortion rights as a constitutional right to every woman in every state of america.

But that is what the republicans did - made abortion a single issue voting issue for years. Then alito handed it to the republicans with the Dobbs decision and the dog caught the car.

I feel like there are bots on this site tonight.

At the OP - I think my first post made my stance very clear. What bit of it didn't you understand? I'll be happy to clear it up for you. I voted Harris because abortion rights - and other things - matter more to me than GC issues. Which also matter to me but not enough to vote for Trump.

Well yes, then I agree with you entirely, but I didn't understand exactly what your beef was with Grammernut.

Yes agreed. Genuinely not being arsy but didn't understand that either?

I think both Clinton and Obama promised to ensure the security in federal law of abortion rights and on the basis of human rights rather than the contested constitutional right to 'privacy' which Roe vs Wade does, but then didn't do it. My understanding from reading about it is that it was known by lawyers (including and perhaps especially the pro choice ones) that Roe vs Wade was likely to eventually be overturned and was on shaky ground as it relied on an interpretation of the meaning of privacy in the 14th amendment, which even some pro-choice lawyers argued was the wrong means to the right outcome.. the Dem presidents, like Obama, promised to protect abortion rights before the quite likely overturning of roe vs Wade happened. Then didn't do it.

You've got to ask for a party that pretends to care about women -why?

I hope there are lawsuits for the women's lives lost. Doctors are supposed to provide lifesaving care and have in many cases failed to do so. It's tragic women in the USA are facing this. The anti-woman direction of movement seems to be worldwide.

Grammarnut said that the dems attacked democracy in 2016. They didn't. That is a lie. I challenged that. Not sure why that makes what else I said incomprehensible - like genuinely.

Now I'm wondering whether creating a law to protect the right to abortion is even something the president can do (maybe that's why Obama didn't do it).

If the Dobbs decision - in a Trump-appointed court - hadn't happened no woman in america would have had to worry about her rights to reproductive health care because the constitutional right enshrined under Roe would prevail.

Putting this on the dems is a russian bot operation. Or a I am so Stupid operation.