Gisele Pelicot defendants described

[theDudesmummy]

This is a depressing but instructive read. A common theme seems to be that the men claim they just didn't bother to think. And that they "didn't know" or didn't understand about the concept of consent. Is that just what they say, or a true reflection?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/23/a-soldier-a-nurse-a-lorry-driver-and-dozens-more-who-are-the-men-accused-over-and-assault-of-gisele-pelicot?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Sickening. I just about managed to get to the end. How repulsive to publish these repellent men's whining excuses. Legally, doubtless they'll all be told to use anything they can think of/make up/augment to plead for leniency. This doesn't mean those should be published, it's repulsive. Especially the one claiming he'd have picked someone else if he'd wanted to rape. I'm speechless.

ALL of them went to a chatroom entitled "without her knowledge". That makes them repulsive pieces of shit already. I'm damn sure nowhere on that website does it have a disclaimer along the lines of "this is only a game, be sure to get consent". Course it fucking didn't, because it's a forum for rapists.

Gisele is so brave but what a hideous picture this case paints of the revoltingness of an outwardly "normal" cross section of men. Terrifying. I wonder whether any of these men will have a hard time understanding consent when it comes to their own bodies in prison.

Has it been reported how Dominique Pelicot was acquiring all these tranquillisers?

One of her attackers was an anaesthetist, incidentally

I noticed that one. Made me feel a little nauseous. I hope he was never left alone with a patient.

It wasn't me.
I only needed her husbands consent
I thought she was pretending
I thought it was a game
I went into a trance and remember nothing

What a bunch of pathetic creatures they are.

Yes and their whiny little anecdotes about sad childhoods. Cry me a fucking river

He was an anaesthetist nurse. I wondered if Mr Pelicot had somebody like that obtaining the medicines for him.

Will they get harsher sentences in France for pleading not guilty initially, does anyone know?

Agree with you. Men do not take otters feelings into consideration unless it directly affects them. Very sad but true as I've experienced this many times with males around me. It's like they don't ever think, just focus on what they want and others can just deal with it. It's like a linear mode of thinking but women think of others, the future, the past and the details. Men just go for it, whatever it is and are mostly entitled and unapologetic. Selfish pricks mostly.
Hope they all get prison sentences to teach them a lesson 😔

I couldn't get very far through. The way it was written was just enraging. Ye gads, there is no need to apply the old shit sandwich technique to these men!

This

I read the full list. I’m astounded that some women are sticking with these men and one woman who had split up with one of them, wants to get back with him!

What struck me was how Giselle was viewed as the property of her husband. The view seemed to be that as he had given his consent then that was sufficient. She was not considered as a human being at all.

Many of them say "I am not a rapist" - so much denialism, so much lack of honesty and reflection.

I read the article, but feel horrified with the tone in the Guardian, all those justifications and excuses.

It’s probably part of the #BeKind BS the Guardian pushes out. Some of the hard-left people I’ve known have been vocally obsessed sympathetic to the childhood plights of rapists and murderers.

Agreed, they just cover up for each other. We need to ask the males in our lives, would you rape if you could get away with it and when they say, probably, then stop knowing them!

What’s with the little sob stories at the end of each description?

Who gives a fuck? Why do you only ever see these excuses when people have done the most heinous things

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Exactly. What about the women?? What about Gisele???

Yes that sounds somewhat more bathetic than he probably intended.

What’s with the little sob stories at the end of each description?

Who gives a fuck? Why do you only ever see these excuses when people have done the most heinous things

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Exactly. What about the women?? What about Gisele???

Yes, trust the fucking Guardian to solemnly centre their tales of woe.

I think the little sob stories, perhaps through repetition, actually demonstrate how empty and lacking they are as justifications for what they did. 'I raped this unconscious woman because...erm...💡'. As excuses they're all various flavours of pathetic. Seeing them lined up like that in their little vignettes really underlines it. I don't know if that was the Guardian's intent

Eta the ones who claim they thought it was a consensual kink, doesn't providing something as an excuse for being a damaged human who would rape, kind of undermine that?

There's rape and there's rape, and without intent to commit it, it's not rape.
I suppose this goes to mens rea and actus reus (do they have the same concept in French law?).
Although the counter-argument is, what DID you intend to do/think you were doing; or, put another way, did you really think she wanted sex with you?

All those men either enjoyed the power trip of raping the woman and/or genuinely saw her as property of the man. Pure misogyny. Their sob stories are simply attempts at a reduced sentence.

This was my first thought. They knew they didn't have Gisele's consent. They went to a forum called "without her knowledge" bc they got off on raping women and it seemed like the easiest and least risky way to do so. Plus her husband will be their audience, which some will get off on too.

It's very hard to read. Gisele awes me with her courage and tenacity. She's an inspiration and I think her for what she is doing for rape victims everywhere.

Horrifying isn't it? Its hard to actually put into words the revulsion this causes. When you read about the behaviour and how willing these men were, it's like it was a commonplace thing for them. There's not a lot of remorse is there?

Gisèle is giving evidence today. The defending lawyers don’t seem to be covering themselves in glory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gpxwd8z1xt

Gisèle Pelicot has been questioned by defence lawyers - only doing their job, of course, but it's hard to take. She maintains her courageous attitude.
Yes, we WILL remember Gisèle Pelicot.

Gisèle has been questioned by multiple lawyers today. The last to cross-examine her asked about her decision to continue using the surname "Pelicot".
Gisèle explains that when the trial began her children were "ashamed" of the name.
She adds: "I have grandchildren who are called that.
"Today, I want them to be proud of their grandmother.
"My name is known across the world now. They shouldn't be ashamed of carrying that name.
"Today we will remember Gisèle Pelicot."
Gisèle Pelicot closing statement: I couldn't imagine my husband was capable of drugging me, victim tells mass rape trial - BBC News