Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

[Christinapple]

https://x.com/lindSAYhanNAH3/status/1844696180887794159

I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women. Any women who doesn't meet the criteria of what a woman "should look like" is at risk of being wrongly accused of being trans.

Also makes me wonder about that other thread about FWSSport. If a woman with alopecia plays sport with other women are people who are gender critical going to mistake her as a man and report her to FWSSport who will store data on her?

yeah, I revoke my scepticism. I accept that women do get challenged. there are some odd bods out there. And as per a PP, I wonder if some of it is driven by homophobia. I'm sorry it's happened

I remember meeting a woman at a feminist event who was very tall, and she did say to me that she worried about being challenged in the loos. As she was also very slim and quite beautiful (in addition to just being very obviously female), I looked at her with frank disbelief.

I'm still puzzled about the point the scolders are making though. Is it more harmful for a woman to be challenged in the lavs than for women to be locked up with rapists? should I stop objecting to women being locked up with rapists because of the risk of it leading to women getting challenged in the lavs?

OP and chums, please advise

When the OP says 'women' do they give more examples that just the woman in the (debated) case they describe?

Obviously it should never happen to anyone, but the use of the word 'women' suggests it's happening a lot to multiple women.

Ah victim blaming! How unsurprising.

I think you have the wrong poster.
I have not blamed the victim.

I'm sorry this happened to her - genuinely, it must be very difficult to deal with some of the horrible things that people have said to her.
But I still do not accept that this is somehow the fault of all GC women or indeed that it has any bearing at all on the argument that males are attempting to take our sex based rights and weaken safeguarding.
In life, there are rude people, nasty people, mad people, and people who are angry, stressed or mistaken, irrespective of their views on male rights activism.

Having looked at Lindsay’s twitter, she clearly gets quite a lot of unpleasant comments, which is awful!

I still don’t think they are linked in anyway to gender critical people. I think they are from nasty people who delight in mocking women who don’t fulfil societal expectations of attractiveness. I imagine they’ll be the same people who sneer at fat women, or hirsute women.

Feminists trying to keep prisons, sports and rape crisis centres single sex are not to blame for general misogyny.

OP and chums 🙄 (you think everyone who isn't presenting a GC view on here all know each other or something, we're pals?!
Bizarre take. Is this an attempt to do the "mysterious they" again?
Despite your protestations "you just want to debate" doesn't seem like it.
What do people on here like saying?
I see you.
🙄😁
Not worth it.

Good luck with that Bernard. It was this posters total lack of coherent argument that changed me from a lurker to a poster.

being utterly unable to understand figures of speech must make your life quite difficult.

I'm not sure I want a debate, but you do seem to be telling me that my gender critical views are harmful to women, and to be inviting me to share your views which you (I'm guessing) believe to be not harmful to women. If you want to persuade me to share your views it seems reasonable to ask you to clarify them as that would help me decide.

I'm interested that you 'see' me. Can you explain what you mean by this?

I suspect the poster will prefer to inform me that she 'sees me', and that I'm 'not worth it'. But sometimes people pleasantly surprise you don't they? let's see

Poor woman . Awful that someone was abusive to her and then when she tells her story she is called a liar.

Be a load of crap. My 63 year old mum has alopecia she looks very much a woman and wouldn't be seen as a man. She is often seen as a cancer sufferer but she isn't. She wears a wig mostly but not always in the house.

This woman is an athlete, strong, lean and wiry. She is as female as any other natal woman and shouldn't be expected to conform to a gender stereotype in order for her femaleness to be accepted. Total alopecia is also pretty visible - I had a colleague with it, and even with a wig, and tattooed eyebrows, and makeup her entire hairlessness was apparent. What happened in the incident described above here was wrong.

It was a one-off, terrible incident, but did not involve 'women' being harassed.

A woman absolutely can be mistaken for a man, it absolutely does happen! After seeing the picture of the woman in question I can see how she could be mistaken for one.

It's not nice that this woman was harassed by another woman because she thought she was a man, but I fail to see why it's the fault of women on Mumsnet.

Yes I agree, I feel really bad for her. Maybe you could be sceptical if it was an anonymous Reddit poster, but the woman who tweeted this is clearly genuine. I follow a young woman on TikTok who has alopecia, and she posted recently about how she's frequently mistaken for a man:

https://www.tiktok.com/@thebaldingdiaries/video/7418952366914800928?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7255892207587526171

What I thought

That's probably because we do use actual evidence, that's the thing.

Unlike Christina, who is fairly well known on here for spouting unevidenced (and usually directly debunked) rubbish and then running off when called out to plot some more bullshit for another day.

Yes, those are my thoughts exactly, as I said upthread.

I have had several similar ish instances with mentally unwell women in public places. One said I was good looking so was sure to have problems with having female friends wtf.

One lady shoved dd2 and said “I fucking hate teenagers!”. Neither incident prompted me to take to twitter and conclude there needs to be a wholesale change in the way society operates to benefit men 🙄🙄. They clearly both were slightly mentally challenged.

I believe it happened. It has always happened. I looked like a boy as a kid and sometimes someone would say "hey sonny that's the ladies" and I'd say "I'm a girl" and they would look closer and say "sorry duck in you go". They never accused me of being a trans girl because, while obviously even then people knew some men or boys might believe they feel like "a girl", the idea that those males might believe they had the right to be in the ladies because of it was not on anyone's radar.

So to summarise:

A small number of women taken briefly as the opposite sex and challenged about it? Always happened.

A small number of women taken as being the opposite sex and accused of being an entitled transwoman is new, and it happens now and not then because the general public is now aware that transwomen feel entitled to appropriate seingle sex resources. The cat is well and truly out of the bag on that one.

But what I find both telling and damning is that TRAs and other gender-first posters are so full of concern that the increasing awareness that transwomen are using female single sex spaces might lead to the "collateral damage" of some natal women being mistaken for transwomen and suffering hurt feelings, yet utterly silent that accepting transwomen should have a right to female single sex spaces has already lead to the collateral damage of children and women being insulted, excluded and abused by trans women in women's spaces.

One might, might, almost wonder whether these TRAs and their allies are not in fact motivated by concern for women at all, but simply acting true to form in seeing women only when useful to trans politics.

By "all women" I assume you mean not just the ones with penises?

And as pointed out before, with evidence, you know, from actual scientists rather than propaganda made up by genderwoo addled zealots and fantasists, most adults can identify the correct sex of a person 100% of the time.

Regardless of hairstyle (or even lack of hair). As was pointed out in a study I posted on another thread. Which replicated many of the same results before it.

the gender critical movement harms all women

No, the anti gender critical (aka anti-feminist) movement harms all women.

That's because the anti feminist movement and pro-"gender" (pro-sex stereotypes) movement is entirely built on misogyny and support of MRAs.

Happy to help. I do wonder why the projection is SO constant with you lot. Is it because you have no coherent arguments of your own or any integrity so you have to make things up? Isn't that a bit sad? After all, genuine civil rights movements have never had to do this.