Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

[Christinapple]

https://x.com/lindSAYhanNAH3/status/1844696180887794159

I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women. Any women who doesn't meet the criteria of what a woman "should look like" is at risk of being wrongly accused of being trans.

Also makes me wonder about that other thread about FWSSport. If a woman with alopecia plays sport with other women are people who are gender critical going to mistake her as a man and report her to FWSSport who will store data on her?

GirlOvdrboard, I get the vibe that a lot of the women on the butch subreddits are the genuine women. However, one is more open to gender woo & I think on reflection some, but not all, of the bathroom posts I've read may have been by natal men who are only butch lesbians in their imaginations and rightfully challenged.

What do we do?

Not challenging anyone is case we get it wrong and upset a woman? And just get used to the fact that people we are 99% sure are men are using women only facilities?

Or do we challenge who we think are men, maybe cause a bit of upset and embarrassment, but not get used to the idea that men following girls into public toilets?

Id rather be challenged 100 times rather than in girl feel intimated in her space.

I feel for the woman, but i think she should think about what she is asking of us.

Not challenging anyone is case we get it wrong and upset a woman? And just get used to the fact that people we are 99% sure are men are using women only facilities?

That's exactly why TRAs and their allies are so fond of posting this type of account.

1. Women are responsible for what men do.

This. You can tell the difference.

@TofuTart being mistaken for a boy (I was numerous times) is not the worst thing in the world.

Yes I was also mistaken for a boy when I was about 12 and my mother insisted I had a page boy hair cut. We all found it quite funny. Balanced against the too many to count instances of harassment from men it pales into absolute insignificance.

IF this is true, and not sure it is, then the person doing the shouting would not do so it had been a bald man, and yes I would imagine 99% of us can tell the difference. What I would like to read is that women are confronting men who are wrongly in their private spaces, but sadly most if not all women are afraid to do that.

I'm a bit suspicious. Feel sorry for her if it's true but if it is, it sounds like the woman who shouted has a problem. I'd only say something if genuinely SURE it was a man.

I'm pretty sure it happened (to ONE woman), but think the woman who did the attacking was probably disturbed

Going to file this in the ‘didn’t happen’ folder.

I’ve seen lots of women in my life with alopecia, whether through stress or cancer treatment or any other reason, and they’ve not been mistaken for men.

Good try at having a stir, though. D-

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This!

That's awful that happened to her. 😢

I'm always surprised people can always tell if someone's a man or woman. Trans women in my experience don't often pass, but I absolutely see very manly looking women who could be mistaken for trans. Not because they are bald, they present feminine but have masculine features.

I thought Rain was a man for ages. I had the biggest crush!

I'm not sure if you concluded that after looking at her photo that was posted upthread; apparently she often posts about her alopecia and can seem rather androgynous, or even masculine to some, due to her baldness and athletic body shape. Others have also said she is gender-critical.

I'm not saying this should be attributed to natal women concerned about people who are not natal female using female-only spaces and female objection to male intrusion should not be dismissed, but I don't know if I would confidently claim she made it up.

The gender critical Movement didnt cause this

Men cause this by insisting they can be women and making women feel more afraid than ever

The transgender movement caused this

Although I agree it's usually quite easy to tell male from female even with a cursory glance

I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women. Any women who doesn't meet the criteria of what a woman "should look like" is at risk of being wrongly accused of being trans.

Also makes me wonder about that other thread about FWSSport. If a woman with alopecia plays sport with other women are people who are gender critical going to mistake her as a man and report her to FWSSport who will store data on her?

It really is funny how Chris fully embraces the upside down and inside out world of T. Let me fix that:

I've said it several times, the gender identity ideology movement harms all women. Women are now worried about the possibility of seeing men in their spaces, and so very occasionally a woman in a women's space is mistaken for a man who claims to be a woman. And no wonder in the current climate.

Also makes me concerned about women athletes being mistaken for men barging into women's sport, what with the noticeable increase in men claiming womanhood to play on women's teams.

This is like DARVO. All of the bad outcomes from men (and some women) pushing GII are women's fault? Somehow?

Very true @ILikeDungs !

It is the Tra movement that harms all women

HTH

"Mistaken for trans" isn't the same as being "mistaken for a man" though, is it?

As I said, all the scientific evidence is that the vast majority of people (including children) can tell pretty accurately what sex people are. Especially which ones are the males.

It literally is DARVO.

As always. The DARVO of the so-called "trans" movement is constant. And has been a notable feature throughout. They are debunked CONSTANTLY. Always the projection with the accusations being admissions, just like other narcissistic abusers.

Now imagine being such a stupid/easily led/disingenuous person that you'd actually support a movement that has so little evidence that it uses well-known DARVO and abuse tactics and has to lie ALL the time to get any traction, and then imagine actually congratulating yourself on being some kind of a progressive!

This is what TRAs, especially their "allies" do constantly. It's so sad, desperate and pathetic. Their entire movement is a lie.

Hi @Christinapple

Is there any danger that you will return to this thread or did you just drop it as MSM fodder?

yes. The intention is to shame any remaining woman or girl to never ask the question, ‘are you in the wrong toilet / changing room’ or get security or call the police again.

That is the aim.

The polarised, catastrophising, absolutist thinking that shapes the argument that concerned and worried female people reacting to that concern when the person being questioned is a female are somehow an indication that most female people cannot correctly sex a male person is absurd to see.

But it is weaponised nicely here and cheered on too I see.

It is fuckwittery and misogyny to point to the reason for this happening being because of women raising awareness of male people accessing female single sex spaces. How bereft of logic is that argument? Well, if women had not raised the public awareness, we are supposed to think that no woman would be challenged. And that no male person would be detected.

And yet, some women have always been challenged, rightly or wrongly. So that would never change.

And male people would still be challenged, even if other women had not raised awareness about this. Because it is a fact and will always be a fact that female people will be highly likely to correctly identify the sex of male people. This is not impacted in the slightest by feminists raising public awareness.

It was always a logic free, highly emotionally manipulative argument. And it is gaslighting to deny that even with the occasional error, in general female people will be highly likely to correctly sex a male person.

These occasional errors do not change the issue. No male person above the age of about 8 years old should be in female single sex spaces.

Hang on a minute...

TRAs and their allies believe trans women are women, right? That ones body sex is no more significant to ones womanhood than a variation in skin colour or nationality or age or height or fertility? That there is no "right way to be a woman", no "what a woman should look like", no gatekeeping, no expectation that woman are female?

In other words, TRAs, if we take them at their word, believe there's nothing wrong or lower-status about being a trans woman.

So why are TRAs suddenly acting like being "wrongly accused of being trans" is a terrible terrible thing for a woman to endure? Surely if, as they say, everyone other than some weird angry TERFs accepts trans women unreservedly as woman, why is being wrongly assumed to be trans any worse than being wrongly assumed to be a a little older, or that you dye your hair when its your natural colour? Why the pearl-clutching all of a sudden?

I fear you may be expecting a consistent and thought through approach Rhinos.