Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3

[TheSandgroper]

Following on from busy threads 1 and 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5172553-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-thread-2-from-australia

Keep on discussing, ladies. Change never happens in silence.

Honestly, this post is all over the place. I can't make head nor tail of it. Total confusion.

As I say, Liz Truss has nothing to do with my point that it is a fact that institutions have been captured, and you only need go back over the numerous court case transcripts on here for evidence of that fact. Casting about trying to align people with other people you don't apporove of is just a diversionary manoeuvre, and referring to this fact as a 'culture war' is simply an attempt to throw a smokescreen over this ideological capture and minimise its importance.

There's another thread on Liz Truss if you want to discuss her ideas, this thread is about the Deeming v Persutto case. Liz Truss is irrelevant.
The ABC is a disgrace, it's really good news they had to apologise to
KJK isn't it?

I have been very disappointed in the ABC’s handling of issues around this topic. ABC has been a huge part of my life and yet, they have shown no balance at all on these issues.

Liz Truss is an easy target. Personally I think she senses fundamentals but her autistic tendencies and inability to self reflect leave her out of touch with normal, everyday reality - so she can come across as a bit 'out there'.My daughter's neighbour knows Truss and her husband ( who is from my city) and has been at meals with them, and she does indeed seem to be in a bit of a self focused world and detached from everyday behavioural customs. In this way she is also rigidly ideological and abstractly theoretical.

.......But attempting to use Liz Truss as a deflection from the reality of ideological capture is not going to wash.

I do have sympathy with her view on the BBC. I used to be a firm supporter of the BBC - but in more recent years its bias has become obvious. Going forward I cannot see how it can survive in its current compulsory license fee mode.

Zactly. Same as the BBC.
I really wonder at the true motives of positioning a non-partisan broadcaster as part of "the elite". I'd hate to live in a country where the media was controlled by the government. Sounds dangerous.

OK. If you can not follow my point I'll leave it. Don't want to be accused of dominating the thread.

I do have sympathy with her view on the BBC. I used to be a firm supporter of the BBC - but in more recent years its bias has become obvious. Going forward I cannot see how it can survive in its current compulsory license fee mode.

Indeed, I don't think it will.

You really are in your own little world Cassie. Who do you remind me of? Oh I know Liz Truss.

I used to be a firm supporter of the BBC - but in more recent years its bias has become obvious. Going forward I cannot see how it can survive in its current compulsory license fee mode.

Me, too. It gives me no pleasure to agree, because I was a staunch defender, too. GII is going to take down with it formerly treasured institutions like the BBC and the NHS.

It's good "news" that a "news" organisation has clarified a factual matter on which they were incorrect (a day six months late and a dollar short but hey)

'Elite' in this context doesn't refer to monarchy, aristocracy, banking or finance and so on but to cultural elites; which have arisen out of middle class metropolitanism. This is the sort of culture which has not only gripped many institutions, such as the BBC, but even the Labour Party - whose values and mores are no longer those of the working classes they used to represent.

Such cultural elites tend to dominate the academy, the arts and the televised media ( and arguably the civil service).

@BezMills

It's good "news" that a "news" organisation has clarified a factual matter on which they were incorrect (a day six months late and a dollar short but hey)

KJK didn't receive financial damages from the ABC. She claimed she didn't require any.

@Helleofabore

Where did she say it was commercial?

She didn't. I did. I hope that's okay. Were you looking for something to criticise?

No. I was looking to see if I missed her misrepresenting the ABC. I couldn’t see where she said it was commercial.

Thanks for clarifying.

That's an opinion,not a fact. Not everyone believes there are shadowy "elites" controlling the public outside of democracy. Indeed, that way of thinking is a feature of a particular strand of politics.

@CassieMaddox

That's an opinion,not a fact. Not everyone believes there are shadowy "elites" controlling the public outside of democracy. Indeed, that way of thinking is a feature of a particular strand of politics.

Whether she's aware of it or not, Short defined an 'intelligentsia'. In past history, we all know what happened to the intelligentsia of some societies.

This is not about conspiracies; it is fairly well established that many institutions are ideologically captured; signed up to Stonewall etc. It's no secret. It is not even covert.

We've been following the multiple court cases brought by people who have fallen foul of this on here - and so have you.

It is part of political thought. It links to Gramsci and his idea of cultural hegemony. It's a fair analysis but instead of workers taking over it's turned into another middle class power grab.
Just like Marx and idea of proletarian revolution, what you actually get is middle class Lenin.

Democracy?

So a party that gets 30 odd percent of the vote is in charge? And the biggest 'donator' gets an actual pass to No 10?

Or as in France where the guy that came 4th gets the top job?

Where everything that happens is run past the UN and unless it meets their overall objectives it doesn't happen?

Yay, democracy.

Publishing is a great example, they don't need to burn books anymore they just censor, rewrite or don't publish them.

Amazon can withdraw them from your device.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was.

I was commenting on your assertion about "elites". It is an opinion that the civil service have been captured by an elite and it's not one I share.

To go back to my original point,I think that kind of rhetoric is the sort that Truss uses and many people would perceive it as being used to drive a culture war between "elites" and the common man.

I don't like it. I think its dangerous. If you buy into it, the question comes what do you put in place instead of the "captured" Civil service, non partisan state broadcaster etc. All the alternatives I can think of are quite scary.

Maybe do what Harold Wilson did - launch a review.
FULTON COMMITTEE ON THE CIVIL SERVICE.

Sorry I'm on a roll. The Vatican used to have a list of banned books, we used to do displays of them in libraries.
Now they are strangled at birth, we dont know what they are I do not call that progress.

Fulton and his colleagues identified the following weaknesses in the Civil Service: It was too much based on the philosophy of the 'generalist' or 'all-rounder'. Scientists, engineers and other specialists were not being given the responsibilities, opportunities and authority they should have.

I'd say it's reverted to type.