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Oh no Rosie

748 replies

InandOutlander · 28/09/2024 17:48

I'm so sad to see her go, she was the shining light within the Labour camp.

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StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 13:39

gifts given and declared properly

Thing is though, if you look at Starmer's declarations and you see some amount donated "for the functioning of the Leader of the Opposition's office" you might think that means some secretarial help, or maybe a few nice new laptops.

You're not automatically going to assume it means swanky suits.

Some of my best friends are lawyers, but as a profession they're very good at saying things that are technically true but in fact serve to mislead.

We went through all of this in 2009. Maybe a leader who only entered Parliament in 2015 and doesn't bother listening to veteran MPs won't be very sensitive to how that looks.

BezMills · 02/10/2024 13:43

SKS seems like a massive liability right now (I hope his fancy glasses can help him see the error of his ways , and return him to the path of righteousness).

Oh well, that's very much an SKS problem, and no skin off my nose

LongtailedTitmouse · 02/10/2024 13:47

There is a difference between a Labour PM and a Conservative PM accepting the same fancy clothes though. Conservatives represent individual freedoms whereas Labour are about equality. So even if we set aside the gift aspect of it, an expensive designer suit sits within Conservative core values in a way it does not for Labour. It is a sign of privilege that the right wing aspire too and the left wing condemn.

OldCrone · 02/10/2024 13:47

BezMills · 02/10/2024 13:22

The basic annual salary for an MP from 1 April 2024 is £91,346.

Source https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/pay-mps/

That's obviously not enough. I mean, look at Keir Starmer. He didn't even have enough money to buy his own clothes out of his MP's salary.

DrSpartacular · 02/10/2024 13:49

OldCrone · 02/10/2024 13:47

That's obviously not enough. I mean, look at Keir Starmer. He didn't even have enough money to buy his own clothes out of his MP's salary.

Grin
StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 13:52

OldCrone · 02/10/2024 13:47

That's obviously not enough. I mean, look at Keir Starmer. He didn't even have enough money to buy his own clothes out of his MP's salary.

Takes you back to the 1980s, when basketball stars were so poorly paid they had to moonlight as airline pilots.

Oh no Rosie
candycrush02 · 02/10/2024 14:14

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 13:39

gifts given and declared properly

Thing is though, if you look at Starmer's declarations and you see some amount donated "for the functioning of the Leader of the Opposition's office" you might think that means some secretarial help, or maybe a few nice new laptops.

You're not automatically going to assume it means swanky suits.

Some of my best friends are lawyers, but as a profession they're very good at saying things that are technically true but in fact serve to mislead.

We went through all of this in 2009. Maybe a leader who only entered Parliament in 2015 and doesn't bother listening to veteran MPs won't be very sensitive to how that looks.

Yes but on his register are plenty of other things that were declared accurately and when the description was changed, the gift was still within the rules.
I doubt very much any MP fills out their own declaration, would be a waste of their time surely?

My point still stands, Duffield would have known all this, Lord Alli has been backing and supporting Labour for years.

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 14:17

LongtailedTitmouse · 02/10/2024 13:47

There is a difference between a Labour PM and a Conservative PM accepting the same fancy clothes though. Conservatives represent individual freedoms whereas Labour are about equality. So even if we set aside the gift aspect of it, an expensive designer suit sits within Conservative core values in a way it does not for Labour. It is a sign of privilege that the right wing aspire too and the left wing condemn.

😂
At least you are honest about your double standards

larklane17 · 02/10/2024 14:24

Perhaps we should have a thread on Starmer in Style and Beauty?
Remembrance Sunday is only a month away.
Wealthy sponsor urgently required.
We can't have him wearing the wrong kind of Donkey Jacket.

LongtailedTitmouse · 02/10/2024 14:28

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 14:17

😂
At least you are honest about your double standards

Of course people have different expectations of right wing and left wing politicians. That is why they vote for the politician that most closely reflects their beliefs. They would expect policies from a Labour government that they would be surprised to see a Tory government proposing.

Honestly, you seem be missing the most basic of understandings of how politics works.

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 14:46

There's also the question of the optics. Remember when George Osborne got a lot of shit over a photo of him eating a Byron burger when preparing the budget?

I know, nobody really expected Osborne to be joining the queue at Burger King, and it's not like he was eating a super-expensive Heston Blumenthal burger, but it still didn't go down well that he was eating a moderately upmarket burger while telling the rest of us we had to accept austerity.

Nobody expects Starmer or Reeves or Rayner to be shabby, but their enthusiasm for free designer clobber does not sit well with their messaging about making sacrifices for the common good.

At a certain point you wonder why the government employs a small army of comms people.

Pluvia · 02/10/2024 15:07

noblegiraffe · 02/10/2024 13:29

It does make you look like a bit of a tit for smugly accusing me of being a TRA though 🤷‍♀️

Is that important to you? To use an argument you used on me, before getting me deleted, you enjoy taking down other women?

By the by, anyone else been listening to the Higgs ET appeal in court 71?

noblegiraffe · 02/10/2024 15:09

Pluvia · 02/10/2024 15:07

Is that important to you? To use an argument you used on me, before getting me deleted, you enjoy taking down other women?

By the by, anyone else been listening to the Higgs ET appeal in court 71?

I didn’t get you deleted, clearly someone else reported your personal attack.

Mumof2namechange · 02/10/2024 15:17

I voted for a Labour MP, somewhat hesitantly but because my local MP has a very pro-family stance. However, I regret it, because I'm disappointed in what the govt has done in this short time.

I feel I gave Starmer the benefit of the doubt. I didn't know that he'd prioritise (in my view) non-family-centric policies. Or I chose to hope he wouldn't. You can argue it was all there in the manifesto, but we didn't know what would be rushed through and what would be shelved for later. For example, VAT on private schools seems to be happening very quickly, as was the train driver pay rise, whereas the covid corruption loss-recouping seems to be shelved. This is not the priorities that I personally hoped for.

If I can be disappointed and disillusioned by the govt in a matter of a few months, why can't Rosie Duffield?

Mumof2namechange · 02/10/2024 15:18

Nb the examples of what I'm disappointed about aren't the same as Duffield's, I know. But I'm pointing out that we didn't entirely know what this govt would do, and prioritise, until after the election.

Mumof2namechange · 02/10/2024 15:21

You could also argue that no one knew quite how much disproportionate influence the likes of Sue Gray and Lord Alli would have on the PM, until it happened.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/10/2024 15:44

noblegiraffe · 02/10/2024 15:09

I didn’t get you deleted, clearly someone else reported your personal attack.

That doesn't take much guessing!

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 16:03

OldCrone · 02/10/2024 09:57

Back to RD, so you re happy she took £10k in "election expenses" without actually knowing what she spent them on?

Election expenses data are publicly available, as I'm sure you know. This is for 2019. The figures for 2024 don't seem to be available yet.

link

I've included a few other Labour MPs for comparison. You'll see that all of them received donations in excess of £10,000 at that election (although we don't know about Angela Rayner because it seems she failed to complete her paperwork on time).

5 years later, you'd think Angela Rayner would have got this finished, really.

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 16:12

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 16:03

5 years later, you'd think Angela Rayner would have got this finished, really.

Well, she is a Unison rep. Maybe she's working to rule.

larklane17 · 02/10/2024 16:24

“Yes, there was no pressing need for Angela Rayner to spend New Year in Manhattan. But this is a woman who has done the countdown at Yates’s in Ashton-under-Lyne. When I rescued her I promised she would never suffer like that again.https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/why-shouldnt-i-pamper-my-pets-asks-lord-alli-20240920251074

Why shouldn't I pamper my pets? asks Lord Alli

THE multi-millionaire Lord Alli has asked why he should not give his Labour party pets the best in clothes and apartments.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/why-shouldnt-i-pamper-my-pets-asks-lord-alli-20240920251074

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 16:24

LongtailedTitmouse · 02/10/2024 14:28

Of course people have different expectations of right wing and left wing politicians. That is why they vote for the politician that most closely reflects their beliefs. They would expect policies from a Labour government that they would be surprised to see a Tory government proposing.

Honestly, you seem be missing the most basic of understandings of how politics works.

😂
I thought you voted for who you thought would best represent your interests in parliament. I don't like lying and double standards, hence would never vote Tory. That doesn't mean I have a "different expectation" of them. Weird concept.

Also, it kind of sounds like you think lying and grifting are Tory policy 😂

candycrush02 · 02/10/2024 16:52

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 16:03

5 years later, you'd think Angela Rayner would have got this finished, really.

You didn't look very hard, 2mins on google lists AR's donations for this year and 2023.

candycrush02 · 02/10/2024 16:58

larklane17 · 02/10/2024 16:24

“Yes, there was no pressing need for Angela Rayner to spend New Year in Manhattan. But this is a woman who has done the countdown at Yates’s in Ashton-under-Lyne. When I rescued her I promised she would never suffer like that again.https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/why-shouldnt-i-pamper-my-pets-asks-lord-alli-20240920251074

Unbelievable... its this type of bullying that has led to AR and her children having to be escorted to school

Frank Hestor gave the Tories £25m, £5m after calling for Diane Abbott to be murdered.

But as these are Labour woman, their lives doesn't matter to the GC crowd, who poke fun at women who continually get death rape and acid threats.

Abbott gets more threats than any other female politician.

OldCrone · 02/10/2024 17:05

candycrush02 · 02/10/2024 16:52

You didn't look very hard, 2mins on google lists AR's donations for this year and 2023.

Did you even look at my link?

Angela Rayner

BezMills · 02/10/2024 17:05

@candy What are you on about? Are you here to tell "the gc crowd" off for the daily mash?