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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh no Rosie

748 replies

InandOutlander · 28/09/2024 17:48

I'm so sad to see her go, she was the shining light within the Labour camp.

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EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 17:06

BezMills · 02/10/2024 17:05

@candy What are you on about? Are you here to tell "the gc crowd" off for the daily mash?

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I’m sure the daily mash has covered more than Rayner

@candycrush02

BezMills · 02/10/2024 17:08

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 17:06

I’m sure the daily mash has covered more than Rayner

@candycrush02

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They're a low to medium quality satire page. I mean who cares really

OldCrone · 02/10/2024 17:09

candycrush02 · 02/10/2024 16:58

Unbelievable... its this type of bullying that has led to AR and her children having to be escorted to school

Frank Hestor gave the Tories £25m, £5m after calling for Diane Abbott to be murdered.

But as these are Labour woman, their lives doesn't matter to the GC crowd, who poke fun at women who continually get death rape and acid threats.

Abbott gets more threats than any other female politician.

Rosie Duffield couldn't attend the Labour conference in 2021 because of fears for her safety.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-rosie-duffield-to-skip-partys-conference-due-to-threats-amid-calls-for-end-to-factionalism-and-intolerance-12412356

But here you are, smearing her because she doesn't believe that men can be women.

Labour MP Rosie Duffield to skip party's conference 'due to threats' amid calls for end to 'factionalism' and 'intolerance'

Rosie Duffield, the Labour MP for Canterbury, is reported to be staying away from the party's gathering in Brighton later this week due to online threats from transgender campaigners.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-rosie-duffield-to-skip-partys-conference-due-to-threats-amid-calls-for-end-to-factionalism-and-intolerance-12412356

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 17:10

BezMills · 02/10/2024 17:08

They're a low to medium quality satire page. I mean who cares really

Yep. If pp let it fly for previous gov they can’t complain for this one

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 17:12

It's not as if we particularly need high effort satire at the moment. The nation's most sanctimonious MPs having a sugar daddy is pretty funny, once the anger dies down.

BezMills · 02/10/2024 17:15

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 17:12

It's not as if we particularly need high effort satire at the moment. The nation's most sanctimonious MPs having a sugar daddy is pretty funny, once the anger dies down.

True, sadly. What a let down SKS is. Took him how long to shit the bed?

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 17:16

It is pretty funny

Oddly I recall a satirist lamenting there wouldn’t be much to work with after the GE, can’t recall which one but that didn’t age well

Loads of material

TempestTost · 02/10/2024 17:26

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 01/10/2024 11:35

They literally had an open goal. Even Tories were disappointed in the last government. And they have still fucked up in record time.

For me, it's not so much what they've done specifically, it's how bad the optics are. It makes me think 'are you really so naive/stupid you couldn't see how this would go down? '

And if so, what other awful decisions are you going to make?

I think they did try and set expectations low before the election. They were clear, I thought, that they wouldn't be able to do much extra money wise.

It seemed to me like a lot of people didn't take that in, they were sure Labour could do something.

But they've managed their messaging since the election really, really badly. Like, spectacularly badly. Particularly what they have said around the clothes and studying for exams business, it's hard to imagine how they could have given them worse framing.

On the economic stuff - if I were the one having to deliver these difficult policies, I think that I would try and be really clear and transparent about the why's of it, and the trade offs. I know it's been suggested here before, convincingly I think, that some of these policies were to send a message to the international banking community, without whom the government can't function.

I have wondered if the LP finds themselves in a bind these days due to their embrace of globalism at the expense of workers. They aren't willing to go in an anti-globalist direction (despite the fact that at one time that was the bread and butter of the left.) But if they blame their decisions on the international bankers, it will look even worse if they don't criticize that system.

I might be totally on the wrong track there but it does seem to me they are in a tricky position with their messaging.

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 17:32

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 17:12

It's not as if we particularly need high effort satire at the moment. The nation's most sanctimonious MPs having a sugar daddy is pretty funny, once the anger dies down.

This is just nonsense that shows who you follow on the Internet 🙄

larklane17 · 02/10/2024 17:40

candycrush02 · 02/10/2024 16:58

Unbelievable... its this type of bullying that has led to AR and her children having to be escorted to school

Frank Hestor gave the Tories £25m, £5m after calling for Diane Abbott to be murdered.

But as these are Labour woman, their lives doesn't matter to the GC crowd, who poke fun at women who continually get death rape and acid threats.

Abbott gets more threats than any other female politician.

Yet you say nothing about the sending of death and rape threats and harassing of Rosie Duffield? The Labour Leader treated her appallingly while she was a Labour MP. He made no realistic attempt to challenge the hate she received.

He also treated Diane Abbott badly. Yet you choose to focus on a satirical magazine taking the piss out of the Deputy PM having a freebie?

I agree about Diane Abbott's treatment, her own Labour Leader hung her out to dry. He likes to look the other way while Rosie and Dianne have threats made to them. Rosie Duffield speaks up for her in her resignation letter and criticises the treatment of her by her Labour leaders. She has consistently supported her.

In particular, the recent treatment of Diane Abbott, now Mother of the House, was deeply shameful and led to comments from voters across the political spectrum. A woman of her political stature and place in history is deserving of respect and support, regardless of political differences.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-full-starmer-labour-b2620714.html

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ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 17:52

candycrush, youv'e so far managed to attribute expenses to Rosie Duffield that were someone else's entirely, and now you seem to be accusing gc women of ... somehow prompting death threats to Diane Abbot? Because of a Daily Mash link?

Seems a bit muddled, tbh.

ILikeDungs · 02/10/2024 22:31

BezMills · 02/10/2024 17:15

True, sadly. What a let down SKS is. Took him how long to shit the bed?

Exactly Bez, took him how long to shit the bed??

So he has paid back £6000. He would not have paid back anything if no-one called him out, the sanctimonious twat.

And Lord Alli is being investigated for not declaring interests. Good. May not come to anything but might wipe the smug smile off his face for a moment.

Yes, I am angry.

StainlessSteelMouse · 02/10/2024 23:39

Yeah, paying back 5% is really going to make this story go away.

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/10/2024 23:40

Another No-Brainer with Angela Rayner - Rosie Duffield Has Disrespected Us Labours!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2024 23:42

Oddly I recall a satirist lamenting there wouldn’t be much to work with after the GE, can’t recall which one but that didn’t age well

That's priceless. There is always stuff.

UtopiaPlanitia · 04/10/2024 01:27

Great article in The Telegraph analysing the situation.

Rosie Duffield has wounded Starmer more than he knows
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/02/rosie-duffield-has-wounded-starmer-more-than-he-knows/

'It would be a huge mistake for the party to now ignore Duffield, but it is also likely. Keir Starmer is thin-skinned – another weakness – and has refused on a number of occasions even to acknowledge Duffield’s existence. The woman who in 2017 won Labour’s only seat in Kent was condemned to the political wilderness by a man peeved to be called out on his previous naïve and ill-informed acceptance of trans ideology.

Yet when Starmer himself slowly and painfully reneged on the catechism that “trans women are women”, he could not bring himself to acknowledge that Duffield had been right all along. During the general election campaign, he attributed his conversion to the realities of biological science (“Men have penises and women have vaginas”, apparently) to Tony Blair.

And when he launched his party’s general election campaign in Kent, Duffield, the county’s only elected Labour MP, was not invited to attend.

It was all just a bit mean-spirited, spiteful and childish. Duffield’s letter at the weekend ably exposed that behaviour.'

Rosie Duffield has wounded Starmer more than he knows

Labour MPs will not quickly forget that excoriating letter, which so ably highlighted the Prime Minister’s flaws

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/02/rosie-duffield-has-wounded-starmer-more-than-he-knows

duc748 · 04/10/2024 01:39

Well of course The Telegraph is full of joy for anything that discredits Labour, but that doesn't mean they're wrong in a way about this. But in the real world, I doubt Rosie's departure will make too many waves, for better or worse. I find it ironic that many of the criticisms levelled at Corbyn (thin-skinned, indecisive, at the mercy of his advisors) seem equally applicable to Starmer, in spades.

StainlessSteelMouse · 04/10/2024 08:52

Definitely a few parallels. When Luciana Berger resigned from the party, she said she'd repeatedly requested meetings with Corbyn but he hadn't spoken to her for 13 months. That sounds familiar.

The differences are interesting. Lord knows I have criticisms of Corbyn. IMO a lot of his beliefs are bonkers, they've led him into alliances with pretty dodgy people, and he was far too prone to let the likes of Seumas Milne or Lindsey German do his thinking for him.

But this is a man who really did buy his vests from a market stall and had to be bullied into wearing a nice suit. And from my experience of Corbyn, he's one of the few people on the left who doesn't seem to bear grudges.

After he became leader I was speaking with someone who knows him well, and asked the question I often do about politicians - what would corrupt him? The answer was, he's not interested at all in money or the trappings of power. What will corrupt him is the adulation. I think that was true.

We know now Starmer is very interested in money and the trappings of power. I think he's a vain man who assumes that he's the smartest guy in the room, and he's allowed very few people into his inner circle who'll tell him what he doesn't want to hear.

Corbyn might be an elderly student union politician who never grew up, but he's got tons of experience in Parliament and in street level politics. I think Rosie hits the nail on the head about Starmer's lack of political skills. When he was touted for his brilliant legal mind, I think we were sold a pup.

LongtailedTitmouse · 04/10/2024 09:18

The WFA vote seemed a big error. Not just for the obvious reasons for elderly just above the cut-off, or even because it is unpopular with voters, but in terms of political collateral within Labour. It resulted in a large number of rebels within the first few weeks of parliament. And once MPs start rebelling there is a sense of ‘well I’ve blotted my copybook anyway’ and they keep doing so. And rebelling spreads, particularly when it becomes apparent to backbenchers that they won’t become ministers and they need to keep their seats. Rosie’s departure just adds to the sense that Starmer is not inviolate.

StainlessSteelMouse · 04/10/2024 09:29

Lots of Labour MPs with slim majorities who would be vulnerable to even a small Tory revival. Lots more who would be vulnerable to a Reform surge. Lots of veteran MPs who've been overlooked for ministerial jobs in favour of Keir's cronies.

The new intake will be loyal at first I suspect, but the 2019 Tory intake were highly loyal to Boris until they weren't.

BezMills · 04/10/2024 14:54

Yeah I think the WFA was a massive blunder, especially doing it so soon. Honeymoon completely pumped. From hero to zero for what? Nothing much.

Public finances are not materially better, but now the government is as popular as a dog's fart at a perfume counter.

Slow clap.

Chersfrozenface · 04/10/2024 15:06

BezMills · 04/10/2024 14:54

Yeah I think the WFA was a massive blunder, especially doing it so soon. Honeymoon completely pumped. From hero to zero for what? Nothing much.

Public finances are not materially better, but now the government is as popular as a dog's fart at a perfume counter.

Slow clap.

Before the election I had Facebook friends posting endless messages promoting Labour.

Since the announcement two or three of them have posted links to petitions against the WFA changes, but nothing else about politics. Most of the rest have gone completely quiet on the subject, it's just pictures of country walks etc.

BezMills · 04/10/2024 15:19

Yeah same same. Not one person I know can admit liking the guy. My labour MP is a good egg and I did vote for him... but

StainlessSteelMouse · 04/10/2024 16:55

Nor did my 2024 bingo card have Labour ministers receiving lots of corporate hospitality from the betting industry.

It would not surprise me if gambling escapes the promised crackdown on drinking and smoking.

I don't much like that. My old grandad used to say, you can only drink till you're full but you can gamble your wages.

LongtailedTitmouse · 04/10/2024 17:19

Do you have a spare £30,000? Fancy breakfast with the business secretary?

https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1842160765802795085

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https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1842160765802795085