In Australia - Moira Deeming defamation trial now on

[TheSandgroper]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-day-two/104360100

This is from our very TRA ABC. Please note the comment from “Mr Southwick, a Jewish MP re Angie Jones’ tweet”. Well, Angie Jones is as Jewish as they come but they don’t say that.

Also, for, those who don’t know, see Angie on m.youtube.com/@TERFTalkDownUnder, though she hasn’t posted for a while. Some really good interviews.

I’d like a definition of “sharing a platform”
Yep. This is why I'm following really. What does "sharing a platform" mean and how valid is it as a reason to take action against a politician? I think it could have quite widespread political implications, beyond the specific GC aspect of this case.

Affidavit of Richard Riordan

In response to paragraph [49] of Ms Crozier's affidavit, I repeat paragraph [19] above. At the 21 March Meeting, I observed that Mrs Deeming looked like a nervous wreck. She was sitting there in a room of 30 of her peers, shaking, and trying to defend herself. My
perception at the time was that Mrs Deeming was not 'scoffing at and rubbishing' the actual content of the Expulsion Motion and Dossier in itself but rather she was 'scoffing at and rubbishing' the suggestion that the Expulsion Motion and Dossier justified her
expulsion.
29. In relation to paragraph [52] of Ms Crozier's affidavit, there were some MPs campaigning in favour of the Expulsion Motion and others campaigning against it

With regard to Umberto Eco's list (one of my favourite authors)

1. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

This sums up the madness of postmodernism and identity politics the province of the left. This is why I think it's necessary to recalibrate ‐ the far left and right are siblings, possibly separated at birth but made of the same genetic material.

I believe one of his staff did put it together. And Pesutto. being a lawyer, should have gone further to ensure the accuracy.

The staffer who put it together skited that he put it together in 20 minutes, but I also think I heard a throwaway ‘10 minutes’ mentioned. He was very proud of his efforts.

Herald Sun
Liberal MP David Hodgett says 97 per cent' of public feedback backed Moira Deeming in spate with John Pesutto

Carly Douglas X @carly_ Douglas 2min read September23, 2024-1217PM
A Liberal MP has revealed he was inundated with about 100 messages from the public when the party released a dosier of evidence to justifty the expulsion of Moira Deeming - and "97 per cent" were critical of Opposition leader John Pesuto.
David Hodgett said the release of a motion seeking to boot Mrs Deeming from the party, along with an explosive dossier of evidence against the exiled Liberal MP, had attracted vast criticism against Mr Pesutto.
Mr Hodgett on Monday was the third Liberal MP to be called into the witness box as the high-profle defamation_batle between Ms Deeming and Mr Pesutto entered its second week.

The clip above is from the archived newspapers on TT. From today.

This sums up the madness of postmodernism and identity politics the province of the left.
It's not the "province of the left". It's a strand of left thinking.

If you want people to not use "far right" you similarly need to be careful with use of "left" in contexts like this.

Seriously?
It's infusing all our institutions and charities the arts, health, schools, police etc
Numbers matter less than effectiveness in taking over institutions. While you and JCJ pontificate other women are getting their hands dirty trying to turn this juggernaut around.

9 news
The moment Moira Deeming's mentor "knew we'd been double-crossed"

By Mellssa Meehan . AAP | 4.46pm Sep 23,

Deeming, who has been an independent MP since being expelled from the Liberals, brought the legal action against Pesutto over comments he made about her attending a transgender-critical women's rights rally in March 2023 outside state parliament.
That rally was attended by right-wing activists who threw Nazi salutes while standing on the parliament steps.
Wells faced questioning from Pesutto's barrister Matthew Collins KC about his involvement in talks between both sides to reach a compromise.
Asked by deputy leader David Southwick to act as a mentor for Deeming, Wells helped broker a deal between the pair.
In that deal Deeming would be suspended for nine months rather than expelled from the party, he said.
There would also be a joint statement from Pesutto's office in conjunction with Deeming, who would in-turn condemn the attendance of Nazis at the rally.
Wells believed the deal included an agreement the party would fully exonerate Deeming from any wrongdoing.
But when Pesutto took the deal to the party room, he never included the plan to fully exonerate her.
"That's when we knew we'd been double crossed," Wells told the court.
Collins suggested Pesutto never promised to exonerate Deeming and questioned why he would ever do such a thing.
"To secure his leadership," Wells said.

If that's what happened, that's shocking. What a slimy weasel.

Tomorrow is going to be a big day, I reckon.

This is completely irrelevant to the point.
You asked me not to use the term far right as its not well defined. Then you made a huge generalisation about "the left" which is even less well defined.

It would be good if you also stuck to the things you are asking others to do.

Or I guess the alternative is I could just start generalising about "the Right" based on the actions of the most nutty elements of right wing politics.

Gearing up to stay up tonight.

I'll be just reading the live tweets in the morning

Dang, I hope she wins.

Like all these things, it sounds like a slam dunk. But you cannot underestimate the misogyny and ideology blindness of some of these people.

Whether she does or not, following on from Giggle vs Tickle, this is getting some news coverage.

From Umberto Eco......

4. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

One can easily see how faith based concepts and articles of faith have taken hold of the so called contemporary "progressive Left" - whereby critical thought is verboten. It is not so much about 'emasculation' as it is in pure fascistic thought - but about criticism and alternative thoughts & persepctives being considered exclusionary 'hate speech'. One must not question.( Fascism expected total obedience to the vision of the heroic nation. Masculine values were privileged)

5. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

"The cult of personality, no disagreement with the leader will be tolerated. Shut down any debate or dissent". Putin, yes.......though, of course, he represents a former Communist country... as did Stalin, which reveals that totalitarianism is not just of the Right.

The Left also held political prisoners who were guilty of thought crime....and we have had more than a glimpse of that in the actions of trans activists and other social justice warriors who have sought to get people cancelled, sacked or otherwise cast into the gulag. Discrimination and distinction are outlawed. 2 + 2 = 5, and "Transwomen are Women".

Kier Starmer. He is pretty ruthless in getting rid of subversive voices - from wherever in the party they stem. Bridget Phillips has recently announced that the proposed new law around Freedom of Speech on university canmpuses will be consigned to the bin. Hundreds of university professors write to her with their concerns.

Hitler and the fascists blamed the Jews for everything. He blamed tthem not only for Communism, but also for Capitalism. He also blamed them for what he saw as the crimes of 'modernity'.

8. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

Rather than Liz Trusss, how about the Jewish/Zionist world conspiracy ( 'The Protocol of the Elders of Zion') - whereby the Jews ( in the guise of the U.S.A) pull the strings of everything. The Jews have been viewed by both Right and Left as controlling the world and its Money Supply, Culture & Media.

Totally. And it would appear the public are behind deeming.

No one agrees with this women hating ideology. (Except woman haters, obvs!).

I did notice a difference in discussion with my female friends when I was there a couple of months ago. There are more who are discussing it now than two years ago. Usually the ones with children / teens.

So short having asked for a definition of "far right" rather than engage with it you instead start talking about "the left" again.

Is it surprising I said you were defending the right? Why not go and do some research into "the hard left" and come back with something we can discuss on that instead (preferably on it's own thread)? Rather than crowbarring "the left" into an article about features of fascism. To me there are quite strong parallels between what you've just done and the infamous "women do it too".

Mind you I should have realised when you asked me for a definition of far right, you didn't actually want one.

Good to hear that women in NZ are starting to speak out. I've noticed on other forums that many of those who have been unthinkingly pushing trans everything have suddenly realised the real harm that's been done to children and women's rights. Parents are horrified and there seems to be an increasing intolerance for the self indulgent moaning about language, irrelevant right wing /left wing language etc.
There's a massive crisis happening to our children and society as a whole that has to be tackled and that's my priority and the priority of all the feminist women I'm fortunate enough to know.

Good to hear that women in NZ are starting to speak out. I've noticed on other forums that many of those who have been unthinkingly pushing trans everything have suddenly realised the real harm that's been done to children and women's rights.

That's interesting, I do think it's unravelling but I think it will take quite a bit longer.

It will take many years I'm sure. But the media have finally cottoned on and that helps. It is across the political spectrum as well although many in "left wing circles" have to be cautious for all the reasons we understand.

Cassie you failed completely to understand my point. The left and right are no longer useful labels. It's a much deeper philosophical discussion than this simplistic division.