In Australia - Moira Deeming defamation trial now on

[TheSandgroper]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-day-two/104360100

This is from our very TRA ABC. Please note the comment from “Mr Southwick, a Jewish MP re Angie Jones’ tweet”. Well, Angie Jones is as Jewish as they come but they don’t say that.

Also, for, those who don’t know, see Angie on m.youtube.com/@TERFTalkDownUnder, though she hasn’t posted for a while. Some really good interviews.

@Helleofabore

Or do you feel they are now guilty by association of speaking at CPAC Australia? The conference of the Liberal and National Parties of Australia, of which neither are ‘extreme’ politically as agreed by other posters.

I think it's important for other posters to know that this is bollocks. It has no formal affiliation with those Parties.

www.cpac.network/about-us

About CPAC Network
CPAC is a values-based nonprofit organisation that espouses the best of Howard, Reagan and Thatcher while exploring new ideas and themes for the coming generations.

Our Mission is is to create inspiring events and impactful campaigns for those that support our values and love of the Australian way of life.
CPAC's Philosophy

Sovereignty resides in the Person.

What does this mean? Individuals have an important role to play in the political process. We recognise the inherent rights and freedoms that individuals possess and the need to ensure that the political system reflects their interests and will. By acknowledging this, individuals can participate in the democratic process and work towards creating a society that respects the rights and dignity of all.
Values

CPACians believe in:

Equality & Justice for all under the Rule of Law, and
Liberal Democracy and the right to vote in fair and uncorrupted elections, and
Freedom to act, speak and think independently, and
Peace & Security free from threats of aggression, war, terrorism, oppression and crimes against humanity, and
Opportunity for every person to contribute and flourish in a prosperous free enterprise economy.

@timenowplease

? Yes, thank you, I can cut and paste too?

That shows nothing at all. CPAC is independent of both the Liberal and National parties. It is a conservative conference and does have current and former Senators or Federal/State representatives, but is otherwise not affiliated at all.

I haven't reported anything on this thread, even posts that clearly break talk guidelines. I use the rules to protect myself ordinarily, yes. Anyone else is welcome to do the same, that's the point of moderation.

I stopped because on a previous thread people seemed to think reporting was being "thread monitor" and it was making them even more wound up rather than less. So I stopped.

The ‘left wing’ schools curriculum refers to the Safe Schools programme. I believe that Eresh posted an example of role playing that was part of that curriculum where the role playing involved acting out sexual abuse and discussing it.

Do you think that it is appropriate for child sexual assault, rape and abuse survivors to be exposed to this in their curriculum? Did you look further at what the ‘left wing’ curriculum was referring to?

I did indeed post that, it was quite shocking.

going back basics - it’s ridiculous to be told not to go to an event just because other protests are going on at the same time that you don’t agree with. I would be more determined to go if that was the case. You’d think she’d actually attended a neo nazi rally.

it makes my brain hurt it’s so illogical

No one has said that advocating for women's rights and child safeguarding isn't controversial. But most women on FWR don't feel that's justified so it's odd that some posters here seem to. To me it's another part of the poor treatment of her.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Political_Action_Conference

Australia's first CPAC was held in August 2019 by Andrew Cooper,[91] founder of conservative think-tank LibertyWorks. Guest speakers included former prime minister Tony Abbott, Brexit campaign leader Nigel Farage, former Breitbart News editor-in-chief Raheem Kassam and NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham. Liberal Senator Amanda Stoker and Craig Kelly MP were at the event. There were calls for Kassam to be banned from coming into the country before the event.[92][93]
The second conference was held in November 2020.[94] Canadian alt-right YouTuber Lauren Southern was initially scheduled to appear, but her invitation was rescinded by the organizers.[95]
The 2022 conference was held in Sydney on October 1. Attendees included Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Katherine Deves, Nigel Farage, Jacinta Price and Amanda Stoker.[96]
The 2023 conference was held in Sydney from August 19–20.[97][98][99] One prominent speaking point of the conference was in opposition to the proposed constitutional amendment to create an Indigenous voice to parliament. Tony Abbott, Warren Mundine and Jacinta Nampijinpa Price were among the speakers at the conference.[100]

A large funder of CPAC is the Heritage Foundation. The Heritage Foundation is generally controversial for funding alt-right views, and also is responsible for Project 25, that you will know about if you are following Trumps election.

Posters know this, which is why historically KJKs funding from CPAC was strenuously dismissed as a smear and a lie.

It's other political figures that should be getting the criticism here, not Moira Deeming.

Off you go then. I'd be interested to hear who you think should be criticised and why. Preferably with evidence from acceptable sources (precise location and line required to save us reading)

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You stopped because on that previous thread I posted about wanting to speak to MN Towers about the vexatious reporting of innocuous posts and having them deleted. I called it a form of harassment, which it is. It also makes that threads difficult to read and interrupts the flow of the discussion.

You've had several posts deleted from this thread. What terrible thing did you say? Must have been really bad - bullying, name calling, a limerick maybe? I'll never know as I didn't see the posts.

I reported one of your posts last night. It was deleted almost instantly.

I can't tell you how gratifying it was.

Sure. There is no official affiliation. However, many of the speakers are current or ex Liberal and National Party politicians. And the chairman is an ex Labour and Liberal politician.

It is possible that my words are still factual without there being an official affiliation. However, for clarity, yes there is no ‘official’ affiliation.

I can cut and paste too

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And I have not given you a false dichotomy at all.

I asked a couple of questions to clarify your opinions and how your thinking is working on this very point. The point that you, personally, introduced to the thread that was irrelevant to the court case.

If you read two questions that lead into discussion as an enforced dichotomy, then that is good to know for future interaction.

@Helleofabore

Sure. There is no official affiliation. However, many of the speakers are current or ex Liberal and National Party politicians. And the chairman is an ex Labour and Liberal politician.

That's because ... they're conservative. On the further end of the scale-conservative. But that isn't what you said in your previous post. You said CPAC was a "conference of the Liberal and National Parties of Australia", which is untrue. It is wholly independent, and somewhat extreme in its views - particularly by Australian standards.

@Helleofabore

It is possible that my words are still factual without there being an official affiliation. However, for clarity, yes there is no ‘official’ affiliation.

In other words, 'it's possible my words were right in a different universe'. No, they were just wrong. They were not factual.

That isn't the controversial part, Eresh. You know this.

That shows nothing at all.

But it's the text from the link you posted?

It definitely doesn't support your statement though.

Absolutely, however much this tiny corner of the internet tries to echo chamber it's way out of it CPAC is known globally as a hard-right organisation/conference.

It does rather beg the question then - why are only right wing organisations supporting women’s rights? Why are the left so silent on this?

So?

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Pity you didn't earlier. I still have no clue what column 3 refers to.

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OK then. 👍

I seem to recall saying you should take it up with MNHQ rather than raising on the thread. Guess you got nowhere with that.