In Australia - Moira Deeming defamation trial now on

[TheSandgroper]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-day-two/104360100

This is from our very TRA ABC. Please note the comment from “Mr Southwick, a Jewish MP re Angie Jones’ tweet”. Well, Angie Jones is as Jewish as they come but they don’t say that.

Also, for, those who don’t know, see Angie on m.youtube.com/@TERFTalkDownUnder, though she hasn’t posted for a while. Some really good interviews.

CPAC Australia seems to be a conference filled with Liberal National Coalition politician speakers.

😂😂😂
Go and do just a smidgeon of research on them before writing this kind of thing. They are the Australian wing of a global Conservative movement that is pro-Trump, pro-natalist, anti-immigration. They are regularly controversial for attracting white supremacists and pushing conspiracy theories.

Of course people have every right to be funded by them and speak at their conference. It does however leave a certain impression.

Thank you @Helleofabore for setting it out so clearly.

Is he the Australian equivalent of Lee Anderson?

Yes you are missing something.
Any conference that will pay to have Liz Truss as a keynote is batshit crazy and has batshit crazy attendees.

It's an odd choice of conference if one seriously wants to effect change. But not if one is keen on pushing the alt-right agenda.

It is very funny that there are 20 pages of people studiously refusing to discuss the case. I wonder why? 🤔

And given the mandate Reform was given by voters, regardless of how much someone might personally disagree with him, he has been elected to be a voice ‘of the people’ - especially those in Clacton.

And yet, we are discussing the evidence.

And who was it that brought in the ‘controversial’ politician comment and the fact that some women are speaking at a conference?

Let women speak….. no not that one…..

Or that one…

Better not let her either…

And she has been seen near a persona non grata so she should either…

And she was told that if she spoke men would slander her and she spoke anyway, so she shouldn’t speak…

And she let other women speak so…

Again, you lack knowledge on Australian politics and have framed people who are conservative as being the equivalent of a USA group.

I have looked at their conference speakers because that should be what people judge the conference on.

Either way, it does show the inconsistency in the opinions that some posters have expressed that Moira Deeming’s views were outside the acceptable views of the Liberal Party.

That point is rather inconvenient, isn’t it?

As far as I can see, there is dogged attachment by some posters to the idea that the other two incidents mentioned by Pesutto were completely beyond the pale, when Helle is clear that they were just two speeches she made about women's sex based rights. Which is the sort of thing we generally think there should be more of, no? But which a lot of misogynists don't like.

If posters think he referred to two different specific incidents, they need to be very clear about what they are. So far they have not been, it's all just vague smears both of Deeming and women on this thread.

@Helleofabore

I am sure that you don't wish to speak for Australia's indigenous people. If they have an issue with Mundine, they will soon have him removed from any spokesperson role, I am sure.

I'm sure you don't wish to speak on behalf of Australia's indigenous people either. In any case, I wasn't. I referred to his mob only, who I've read about previously.

Yes there does seem to be a determination by two posters that speaking about women’s rights is controversial, extreme, and ‘one the edge’.

Revealing isn’t it?

Very @LongtailedTitmouse

And I don’t speak for Australia’s indigenous people at all. I also don’t call their activists ‘bonkers’.

I accept that Australian indigenous people are not a homogenous political group and that they have the right to have whoever they want to activate for their needs. I don’t call their people ‘bonkers’ or compare them to any European standard of politics.

Very much the point so many of us have been pointing out.

They are the same incidents. And where am I dismissing her maiden speech? I simply said I had no opinion on it. That was so I didn't get jumped on. And yet, I get jumped on.

Probably your cat wanting to be fed.

I just bolded a few words below.

And just a reminder, in Hellofabore's opinion, it became clear in the audio that Moira Deeming was not too 'extreme' in any of her other views, it was (despite Pesutto trying to deny this) that Moira Deeming's activism around women and children's rights were considered to negatively impact the Victorian Liberal Party's leadership election strategy. Which is a significantly different thing to Moira Deeming being considered 'too extreme' in any other view point.

From my own understanding of the audio, it was Deeming's association with controversial figures like Kellie-Jay Keen that were considered to negatively impact the election strategy - ie. having 'Nazi' attached to your Party is commonly not the great thing.

But we all hear different things according to our biases, I suppose.

They are the same incidents.

Thank you.

@Helleofabore

Again, you lack knowledge on Australian politics and have framed people who are conservative as being the equivalent of a USA group.

They're the same group. They have the same branding. They attract the same type of politician.

But we all hear different things according to our biases, I suppose.

Indeed, most of us hear ‘speak and we will call you a Nazi’ as intimidation and censorship of the kind you would expect politicians to condemn in any fair society.

You seem to hear it as a legitimate means to shut women up.

@LongtailedTitmouse

Yes there does seem to be a determination by two posters that speaking about women’s rights is controversial, extreme, and ‘one the edge’.

Sigh.

And the first two ‘incidents’ had nothing to do with KJK or Nazis.

The full context is significant, don’t you think?

Do you think that the Leadership team was fully supportive of Moira Deeming’s right to make speeches about issues she is actively supporting in Victorian Parliament?