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Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13842189/Edinburgh-Crisis-Centre-designed-protect-women-suffered-sexual-violence-condemned-failing-damning-report.html

Pretty scathing. Wadhwa cannot stay surely?

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Waitwhat23 · 18/09/2024 13:23

ArabellaScott · 18/09/2024 13:14

ERCC's trustees were all very young and seemed quite inexperienced at the Tribunal iirc. I wonder how RCS's board looks.

During the tribunal, it certainly looked if they had been chosen because they were young and inexperienced.

spannasaurus · 18/09/2024 13:28

ArabellaScott · 18/09/2024 13:14

ERCC's trustees were all very young and seemed quite inexperienced at the Tribunal iirc. I wonder how RCS's board looks.

Ages of current directors/trustees are 29,36,43,43 and 50

spannasaurus · 18/09/2024 13:29

spannasaurus · 18/09/2024 13:28

Ages of current directors/trustees are 29,36,43,43 and 50

That's RCS not ERCC

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 18/09/2024 13:32

spannasaurus · 18/09/2024 13:28

Ages of current directors/trustees are 29,36,43,43 and 50

Decent spread of age and (hopefully?) experience for RCS there.

RedToothBrush · 18/09/2024 14:04

Won't happen. Its the political opposition. You don't give the opposition a victory!

Calls to resign need to come from 'her team'. Not the Cons.

Thats how fucked in the head this is.

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2024 17:36

BBC. Published about 20 mins ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj310jvzpd8o

Acknowledging that Ms Wadhwa's appointment had been controversial, Ms Brindley said: "I was not involved in that appointment or that decision. But what I would say is that most rape crisis centres in Scotland provide support to men, women, trans people and non-binary people.

"There is no inherent reason within that, that you could have a trans person working within a rape crisis centre.

"I think what is crucial however, is that if you do have a rape crisis service, that is supporting all survivors is that there's dedicated women-only spaces within that."

Ms Brindley added she "absolutely recognised" that women-only spaces were a priority for many women using rape support services.

AND

The report also said there was "evidence that the actions of some ERCC staff had caused damage to some survivors", and that concerns had been raised that some women were "excluding themselves from approaching Rape Crisis Centres including ERCC" because of their aproach to gender identity.

Ms Ling also said she had been made aware that some professionals had heard that "some survivors did not feel safe using the centre".

After the report was published, Rape Crisis Scotland said it would pause referrals to ERCC - though people can still self-refer - until it was happy the review recommendations had been put in place.

Ms Brindley said she knew nothing of issues at the centre until October last year.

She said she then advised the ERCC board to settle the case rather than proceeding with the employment tribunal and acknowledged she should have been aware of the conflict sooner

Ms Brindley added there had been "significant failures" at the ERCC and she hoped to introduce a "robust framework of assessment" to make sure the national standards are followed and that women-only spaces are provided in future

So right let me get this straight. Some author found out about issues at ERCC and had time to set up a completely new service but the head of Rape Crisis Scotland was completely unaware of the issues at ERCC and why Beira's Place had been set up?

What the fuck was she doing? Snoring at her desk? And that letter in the Scottish Parliament archive? She wasn't present at that meeting? Despite her partner and her actual body being there.

Are we seriously supposed to accept this account?

Sandy Brindley, who has blue eyes, sandy-coloured hair in a long bob, and purple lipstick, looks into the camera.

Charity boss' apology to rape survivors over support centre row

A rape support centre in Edinburgh, run by a trans woman, had not provided women-only spaces for 16 months.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj310jvzpd8o

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/09/2024 17:40

@RedToothBrush so basically the sorry, not sorry, anyway it’s not my fault defence and i bet she’s only doing this because her trustees have made her

PurpleSparkledPixie · 19/09/2024 17:42

Hardly surprising though. She is lying through her teeth about her job and responsibilities but anyone who believes or follows TWAW are liars from that alone.

ArabellaScott · 19/09/2024 17:49

Not standing down.

Wait, let me go and get my surprised face out.

Seriestwo · 19/09/2024 17:49

reads like she plagiarised the Narc’s Prayer to me.

Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
ReadWithScepticism · 19/09/2024 18:04

That BBC article is not at all bad, compared to how this might have been reported just a year or so ago.

Phrases like "no reason why transgender people could not work in rape support centres, but that services must also provide women-only spaces" occur several times in the article and imply the obvious truth that transwomen are not women.

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2024 18:10

That didn't happen.
Ms Brindley also addressed the comments made by Ms Wadhwa in the podcast, saying: "I do not think the word ‘bigot’ and ‘rape survivor’ should be used in the same sentence.

"When that podcast came out, Mridul assured us that her comments had been taken out of context - that she hadn’t intended them to refer to rape survivors that wanted a single-sex service."

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
However she said there had been "no reason" not to agree with the appointment at the time as Ms Wadhwa had significant experience of working in the sector.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.
She told BBC Scotland's Drivetime programme there was no reason why transgender people could not work in rape support centres, but that services must also provide women-only spaces.

And if it is, that's not my fault.
Ms Brindley stressed that Rape Crisis Scotland, which is the national charity that sets service standards for member centres, had no involvement in hiring Ms Wadhwa - who stood down from her role after the review was published last week.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.
Ms Brindley said the controversy had led to rape survivors who supported the charity experiencing "horrendous" abuse online, including being told that they "must be lying" about being raped.

"It is absolutely astonishing to me that this is the position we're in where rape survivors can be treated in this way in the name of women's rights supposedly," said Ms Brindley.

And if I did, you deserved it.
"I think the onus is on me as chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland and on the rape crisis movement to try and move to a place where Rape Crisis is not being weaponised in the way it has."

Rape Crisis has been weaponised? By who exactly? The women wanting women's only services? Who said they didn't see a problem despite what Wadhwa's own shitty excuses? I mean it wasn't as if Wadhwa's time in previous jobs was problem free. It's astonishing that women were subjected to online abuse about being raped? When the ERCC CEO had already called them bigoted and that they needed to reframe their trauma?

Are you having a fucking laugh?

Jesus Christ does this woman just believe what every 'charming man' tells her?

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2024 18:11

ReadWithScepticism · 19/09/2024 18:04

That BBC article is not at all bad, compared to how this might have been reported just a year or so ago.

Phrases like "no reason why transgender people could not work in rape support centres, but that services must also provide women-only spaces" occur several times in the article and imply the obvious truth that transwomen are not women.

I don't know what the interview was like. This was just the write up.

But Christ on a bike there's some holes in what Brindley has said.

Unfathomable incompetence level ones.

guinnessguzzler · 19/09/2024 18:19

Brindley sounds awful. Interesting, however, that she (claims she) advised ERCC to settle rather than go to tribunal. It must have been obvious then they would lose. I wonder who drove the decision to let it go to tribunal?!

HappierTimesAhead · 19/09/2024 20:20

The quote from the podcast is not in full. I think it's important it is quoted in full:
“Sexual violence happens to bigoted people as well. And so, you know, it is not a discerning crime. But these spaces are also for you. But if you bring unacceptable beliefs that are discriminatory in nature, we will begin to work with you on your journey of recovery from trauma. But please also expect to be challenged on your prejudices.”
Wadhwa went on to argue that such bigoted survivors of rape and sexual violence should work to “reframe their trauma” adding: “You also have to rethink your relationship with prejudice.”

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 19/09/2024 20:28

HappierTimesAhead · 19/09/2024 20:20

The quote from the podcast is not in full. I think it's important it is quoted in full:
“Sexual violence happens to bigoted people as well. And so, you know, it is not a discerning crime. But these spaces are also for you. But if you bring unacceptable beliefs that are discriminatory in nature, we will begin to work with you on your journey of recovery from trauma. But please also expect to be challenged on your prejudices.”
Wadhwa went on to argue that such bigoted survivors of rape and sexual violence should work to “reframe their trauma” adding: “You also have to rethink your relationship with prejudice.”

"Out of context"? The quote is so much worse in full. Very clear that Wadhwa is talking about rape survivors.

HappierTimesAhead · 19/09/2024 20:40

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 19/09/2024 20:28

"Out of context"? The quote is so much worse in full. Very clear that Wadhwa is talking about rape survivors.

Yes, I don't know what context could be provided to make any of this okay.
Rape crisis services are not there to 're-educate' women on perceived prejudices they may or may not have.
They exist entirely to support women who have experienced sexual violence.
To support them to process what has happened to them, to offer practical advice and assistance and begin a journey of healing.
All that should happen in the most non-judgemental way. They should be accepted and respected for who they are regardless of personal beliefs.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 19/09/2024 20:42

But please also expect to be challenged on your prejudices.”
That is not in a rape centres remit. It really, really isn't. And anyone who thinks it is, or that it should be, should not be any where near people who have suffered unimaginable trauma.

Lalgarh · 19/09/2024 20:45

ArabellaScott · 19/09/2024 17:49

Not standing down.

Wait, let me go and get my surprised face out.

There's something of the Liz Truss about her

lechiffre55 · 19/09/2024 20:47

Brindley is trying desperately to save her own skin, and yet she still cannot face the elephant in the room!

She told BBC Scotland's Drivetime programme there was no reason why transgender people could not work in rape support centres, but that services must also provide women-only spaces.

Is Wadhwa part of those women only spaces?
What happened to same sex support???

Brindley is clinging on by her fingertips and still cannot let go of the holy symbol.
If anyone can identify as anything what the fuck is a women-only space?
"must also" implies a conflict where both sides get satisfied, and then she goes on to erase one side completely. The double speak is staggeringly deliberately deceitful.

Anastomosisrex · 19/09/2024 21:01

HappierTimesAhead · 19/09/2024 20:40

Yes, I don't know what context could be provided to make any of this okay.
Rape crisis services are not there to 're-educate' women on perceived prejudices they may or may not have.
They exist entirely to support women who have experienced sexual violence.
To support them to process what has happened to them, to offer practical advice and assistance and begin a journey of healing.
All that should happen in the most non-judgemental way. They should be accepted and respected for who they are regardless of personal beliefs.

Quite. Particularly when the 're education' being administered by a man to a traumatised, sexually abused woman is that she must learn to be comfortable with telling him about her sexual trauma and with centering his needs, his wishes, his feelings, above and instead of her own. Her resisting this, not being comfortable with this, not wishing to say and enact what he wishes, in fact being a person with her own perceptions and reality is just her sin 'prejudice' and she must overcome it as he instructs.

And why is he doing this? Largely because it is gratifying him and his agenda to do so. Fgs priests used to play these games with women.

Brindley was all for this. This was providing women as victims to be used by another man for their own gratification. With the price of ANY help and care being this submission and participation in this ego stroking. I think you'd have to be pretty naive to not understand the bigger picture here. The sheer evil of this is still being tucked under the carpet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2024 21:08

She's vile and she absolutely needs to go. I hope the pressure continues.

RaspberryParade · 19/09/2024 21:10

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2024 17:36

BBC. Published about 20 mins ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj310jvzpd8o

Acknowledging that Ms Wadhwa's appointment had been controversial, Ms Brindley said: "I was not involved in that appointment or that decision. But what I would say is that most rape crisis centres in Scotland provide support to men, women, trans people and non-binary people.

"There is no inherent reason within that, that you could have a trans person working within a rape crisis centre.

"I think what is crucial however, is that if you do have a rape crisis service, that is supporting all survivors is that there's dedicated women-only spaces within that."

Ms Brindley added she "absolutely recognised" that women-only spaces were a priority for many women using rape support services.

AND

The report also said there was "evidence that the actions of some ERCC staff had caused damage to some survivors", and that concerns had been raised that some women were "excluding themselves from approaching Rape Crisis Centres including ERCC" because of their aproach to gender identity.

Ms Ling also said she had been made aware that some professionals had heard that "some survivors did not feel safe using the centre".

After the report was published, Rape Crisis Scotland said it would pause referrals to ERCC - though people can still self-refer - until it was happy the review recommendations had been put in place.

Ms Brindley said she knew nothing of issues at the centre until October last year.

She said she then advised the ERCC board to settle the case rather than proceeding with the employment tribunal and acknowledged she should have been aware of the conflict sooner

Ms Brindley added there had been "significant failures" at the ERCC and she hoped to introduce a "robust framework of assessment" to make sure the national standards are followed and that women-only spaces are provided in future

So right let me get this straight. Some author found out about issues at ERCC and had time to set up a completely new service but the head of Rape Crisis Scotland was completely unaware of the issues at ERCC and why Beira's Place had been set up?

What the fuck was she doing? Snoring at her desk? And that letter in the Scottish Parliament archive? She wasn't present at that meeting? Despite her partner and her actual body being there.

Are we seriously supposed to accept this account?

Genuinely, feck that.

lcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2024 21:28

I don't know the ins and outs of what she's claiming in the BBC interview, but if there's proof that she lied could someone with the evidence get in touch with the Beeb with it and get them to issue a correction?

LoobiJee · 19/09/2024 22:35

Brindley said this?

"I think the onus is on me as chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland and on the rape crisis movement to try and move to a place where Rape Crisis is not being weaponised in the way it has."

She actually said “in the way it has”?

Utterly shameless.