New podcast by Julie Bindel

[WarriorN]

Julie in Genderland

Landed an hour ago on YouTube. I'm checking to see if it's on podcast platforms.

9 episodes with interviews

Also the bit about James Esses was really awful - he was treated appallingly. His description about how his career was destroyed overnight and he was just crying and crying. For shame that those supposedly training therapists could care so little about his mental health (anyone's mental health, really). It just exposes them as liars and abusers. Why would anyone think they have any authority in the field when they deliberately took actions to destroy someone's mental health? What hypocrites! No need for them to have gone about it the way they did, even if in thrall to gender woo.

I think gender ideology just attracts bullies who see this as a way to abuse because they seem to enjoy destroying people's lives. With the parents too - even if you believe in gender woo, you can go about it in a more gradual way which recognises the parent's inner thoughts, feelings and identities as well. Rather than 'we're going to refer you to social services for emotional abuse if you can't magically immediately see your daughter as a son and remember at all times to use the wrong sex pronouns'.

The people described as behaving in this way in this podcast would have enjoyed being in the Stasi too, probably.

💐💐 to you @BonfireLady . Thank you for sharing your story. It's truly awful; a total medical scandal. I feel this is worse than the blood scandal. Mainly because it's constantly affirmed in the media, on social media and online generally as well as by politicians and celebrities so there's no getting away from it. So how do these children get brought back? 😥

Also sending BonfireLady some 🍰☕and 💐

The media's complicity in this abuse and harm to children shouldn't be forgotten. The way social media has silenced dissent such as noting that all mammals have two sexes (the horror of biological reality!). Meta, I'm looking at you.

The editors putting K Dolatowski's desire for wrong sex pronouns above his 10 year old girl victim's right to accurate reporting or even equal status with her abuser (no-one ever asks her pronouns).

Whilst recognising the way the brave, real journalists like Julie B, Suzanne Moore, Hannah Barnes, Andrew Doyle (and many more) have fought to simply speak the truth and do some investigation in this area. They've been brave, but it's ridiculous that they had to put their safety and careers on the line to speak the truth.

Thank you for the lovely words above 💐

Is now a good time to throw in a plug for the brilliant collection of poems "Under the Duvet of Darkness Vol 2"?! I wrote one poem in there and that's where I channelled the release of my fear in its raw form. Mostly I just use it as the fuel to keep doing stuff that either directly or indirectly helps my daughter. The only thing I wish I'd done differently is call the poem "You said you might be trans" instead of "You told me you were trans" as it's far more accurate and still scans the same way in the rhythm. But it'll do and it felt very cathartic writing it. It's a really great book with lots of great poems. Chapter 1 "A letter to my daughter" is a collection of various different viewpoints, including of course feminism. For anyone relatively new to this board, this book and its predecessor (volume 1) has poems that have all been written by Mumsnetters. Both have been fantastically edited by the equally fantastic MNer, BoiledBeetle. Volume 2 includes a contemporary context for some of the poems too.

I've mentioned on previous threads that I've also listened to affirming parents. Obviously there will always be examples of extremes and possible narcissists, who shout loudly in the press and on social media, but I'm betting that most affirming parents are very much like the ones in the parenting group I was in: they love their children very much and have wrestled with all sorts of thoughts and feelings along the way.

Yes, one thing that stands out when parents get a voice is how they really - whether affirming in the end or not - think things through, consider nuance and very much think about their child's wellbeing from all angles.

In stark contrast to the 'professionals' who seem to use 'trans' as a way to abdicate any responsibility for anything else, as Cass pointed out (not quite in those words) in her report.

it's almost as if the vast majority of parents have their child's safeguarding as a higher priority than social services, counsellors (etc) who seem to care more about religious adherence to the ideology. The world has lost all common sense.

It’s all so terrifying. Especially for those of us experiencing gender ideology in our families. Infuriating when the #bekind contingent with absolutely no skin in the game come on to these threads to point fingers and scold us for being mean. As if worrying about toilets is the sum total and limits of our concerns.

I think gender ideology just attracts bullies who see this as a way to abuse because they seem to enjoy destroying people's lives.

It’s been a long while since I lived in the world of psychiatry/psychology but even then there were far too many drawn to those positions in order to be in positions of power over highly vulnerable individuals. Not all of course, but many. It wasn’t sadistic as in enjoying destruction (though unfortunately there were a few of those deeply damaging people), but definitely a deep need to control other’s thoughts and failing that, then certainly controlling their behaviours and actions. Being so out of control in their thinking necessitates controlling others.

GI has been heaven sent opportunity for such individuals to indulge and give free rein to the heady and thrilling feeling of exerting all that power over others whilst simultaneously eradicating any niggling doubt about one’s motives when you’re on the right side of history. I picture religious persecutors experiencing the same emotions.

@BonfireLady it is a fragile place to be when all you want is for your DC to be happy (enough) in their own skins. The worry ever present.

do vote :)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5163163-to-be-so-upset-about-the-stories-in-julie-in-gender-land

I listened to the whole series yesterday and couldn't believe what I was hearing. I knew it was bad but I thought the social workers and teachers caught up in this believed (albeit mistakenly) that they were acting in the child's best interests. I'm not so sure that's true now.

(I listened on Spotify).

Yes, this was my take away too. But it's clear when someone is shouting at parents and deliberately acting to harm family bonds that they're not acting from a position of the child's best interests. They're acting from a position of pushing a political agenda no matter the damage to children.

They must see the damage they're doing to previously stable, happy families and plough on regardless because they're Big Brother zealots.

Done.

Great idea for much wider exposure and a brilliantly written title and intro. It's quite the hook to catch the interest. Hopefully it will do just that 🤞🤞

Yes, one thing that stands out when parents get a voice is how they really - whether affirming in the end or not - think things through, consider nuance and very much think about their child's wellbeing from all angles.

Yes. When they are being told by professionals in multiple disciplines that it's in their child's best interests to affirm (and the suicide myth is launched at them at the right moment) it's not a massive surprise that many will attribute any feelings of unease as their own subconscious prejudice.

When you've also got referrals to Social Services to navigate, it takes a huge effort to pivot and see it differently.

Obviously until relatively recently, most parents would have never accessed anything other than affirmation. I had no idea that this board existed when I first started this journey. All I had was a feeling that something wasn't right, based on a single sentence on the NHS gender dysphoria page (which is no longer there on the updated page) that said the impact of puberty blockers on the developing teenage brain was unknown.

I still haven't listened to anything but this is worth circling back on (my italics):

This podcast brings home how incredibly hard it is for parents - who've been abused horribly by the institutions set up to support them. So many saying they felt suicidal - where's the care for them?

And so many TRAs saying that it's not about them, and it's selfish making it so. Elon Musk may not be everyone's favourite person but the pain on his face when he talked about his own role and his own ignorance in his child's transition was so clear to see. Yet he got a torrent of abuse for his apparent selfishness, as well as people decrying his playback of deadnaming (even though his comments made sense in exactly the way he used it).

we don't get any. Friends, other parents, teachers - they would all accuse us immediately of being nazis and bringing back gas chambers. I am not exaggerating.

... or being religiously motivated.

This popped up in my news feed:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/sep/11/religious-groups-christians-islamists-catholic-billions-counter-gender-equality-sex-education-lgbtq-equal-rights

FFS. In particular, this paragraph:

Tactics include removing sex education from schools, banning girls from learning, reinforcing patriarchal gender stereotypes in textbooks and rejecting gender-inclusive language in schools.

Which I'll now destroy (something related to the theme of this thread has made me very, very angry today, so this is my vent! In order to avoid the problem being me, I have had to sound much calmer than I felt in my communications to the institution in question today)...

removing sex education from schools
The draft PHSE guidance was positioned as doing this. But it doesn't. The new government will undoubtedly ignore all of the good work that went in to it.

banning girls from learning
The UK is not Afghanistan. If anyone tries to act like the Taliban, it will get stopped.

reinforcing patriarchal gender stereotypes in textbooks
What?! Which school textbooks are receiving this treatment in 2024? Or did someone accidentally pick up a copy of Mrs Beatty's Book of Household Management and assume it was one of the PHSE resources?

rejecting gender-inclusive language in schools
Gender-inclusive meaning what? Addressing girls and boys together when suggesting activities e.g. "would any girls or boys interested in the football clubs after school please sign up on the list outside PE"? Or.... the type that erases their sex altogether ("people with periods") and allows them to replace it with gender identity ("our girls' changing room is inclusive to anyone who identifes as a girl")?

Rant over.

We need to stop using ‘gender’ if we mean ‘sex’. It used to make sense. In a world where there was no trans ideology extremism. But not any more.
‘Gender equality’ - has absolutely no meaning.

Frankly if Keir Starmer gets his way, ‘sex’ will also become meaningless. But let’s hope that doesn’t happen.

Horrendous. So sorry you’re going through this. Exactly as per the parents in this podcast, and others.

Yes, sorry to hear this @TorghunKhan Solidarity 💪💐

Owing to good fortune so far (and lots and lots of measured, drawn-out-over-several-months conversations) I have been making some headway re friends, healthcare, education and other stuff in a way that is providing meaningful support for my daughter. However, it is a massive emotional load to channel everything in this way and the waters are forever choppy. With lots of twists, turns and not so surprising surprises. Amongst other things, I've already got the "referred to social services" t-shirt. Lucky me. No, that wasn't today's email.

Social workers are often trained by NSPCC, who (when the men with lactation fetish/ chestfeeding scandal hit the press) said they supported the males concerned, not the safeguarding of babies. They don't apparently speak up against child abuse if it's done by parents who say they are trans. (Those men are a sacred caste). NSPCC are trained by trans lobby groups .

It's safeguarding failures all round.

As a lady said in the podcast- it’s the men’s rights movement. 🤮

Thanks for putting it over there.

We do just need to keep sharing info and stories.

It's clear from other recent thread how many people have stumbled across all this here accidentally, and still relatively recently.

I'm sorry to read you're also going through this @TorghunKhan

I've listened to four of them now and they are all very worth hearing, though upsetting. I thought the Hannah Barnes and David Bell interview was particularly good. Hannah was a lot more straightforward than usual and neither of them pulled punches.
The comments about the Lib Dems influence was very disturbing...I've long thought they are as bad or worse than the Greens on this issue

I thought Hannah was more open than previous interviews too.

It's an excellent source to show people how the harm has permeated across all levels and in so many ways

Teaching staff who don't understand the need for any of the draft guidance should be asked to listen to it