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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New podcast by Julie Bindel

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WarriorN · 10/09/2024 11:56

Julie in Genderland

Landed an hour ago on YouTube. I'm checking to see if it's on podcast platforms.

9 episodes with interviews

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MsNeis · 11/09/2024 20:39

BonfireLady · 11/09/2024 08:52

It's great that she's done this and I really hope that lots of people listen to it.

Although I've listened to detransitioners (and found their stories heartbreaking to hear, as well as being impressed by their strength to speak out), I would find this too close to the bone for me at the moment.

No, my daughter hasn't transitioned but I'm still incredibly aware of the bias and influences encircling her that pull her towards doing so. We've still got a "deal" on the table that we'll look at breast reduction surgery (she's barely got anything there, and with her sports bra is virtually flat) together when she's 21. She's now 15. She's moved on lots on this already, having previously told me that she would be getting a double mastectomy - or "top surgery" as she put it - as soon as she was 18. Obviously I'm buying time with our deal but I'll honour it, if it comes to it. Hopefully it won't and/or if we looked at it together she'd come to the conclusion that it wasn't something she needed when looking at risks and benefits. She also previously thought she wanted testosterone, although I'm pretty sure she's now recognised how dangerous this is for females at a cardiovascular level. To be clear, she's never overtly said "I'm trans", or explicitly said she identifies as non-binary/male, but the subject first came in to our household when she was 13 and told us she thought that she might be.

So it's close to the bone because I'm still really scared that she'll be pulled towards making an irreversible, life-impacting decision at some point. It's this fear that drives me forward in how I do everything that I can to mitigate the risk of this happening, but the influences really are everywhere. It's like playing whack-a-mole with a standard sized mallet on a football pitch sized board. I've shared some things on this board but not everything.

I've met one parent IRL whose daughter has transitioned (with testosterone), where he isn't on board with it. I have no idea if he ever was at one point as that didn't come up in conversation. He now spends his time fighting hard to stop others from having to go through this. His pain was so difficult to listen to, particularly given how his face lit up he was when he spoke about what his daughter was like before this happened. She was driven, bubbly, intelligent etc. He said that she's now just getting by in a basic job and has lost all her passion for life. I'm glad that I met him and I'm glad he's another voice fighting hard to help others. It's incredible that he has been able to channel his pain constructively. I introduced myself with my own first name - not surname - so I don't want to say anything more about him or how I met him.

But this...

Brave, brave father. He says 'what have I done to my daughter' when he realises that affirming for 3 years wasn't the right approach and she transitioned because of bullying.

He says he felt suicidal at that point.

...is a whole other level of pain. The realisation of having been complicit, albeit ignorantly and with the best of intentions, must be one of the most difficult things ever to come to terms with. I can fully understand why most parents in this situation would go the other way and champion "gender affirming care".

In addition to the timing of her periods starting, my daughter was also being severely bullied (autism-related) when her major mental health crash happened and she was admitted to hospital.

If we get to the point where my daughter does reduce/remove her breasts or make any other irreversible changes to her body linked to this awful medical scandal, I'll listen to more parents like in these podcasts. I do read the articles on PITT parents etc but I'm not mentally strong enough to hear the pain in their voices right now.

I wish you and your daughter the best: may you wake up one day and this is all past memories of teen angst and you feel grounded and connected with her more so due to having been toghether trough it 🙏 Good luck 💐

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/09/2024 21:52

I'm part way through this and it's a tough listen. So pleased Julie made this and hope that it gets listened to by everyone. Good that it's on Spotify.

RaspberryParade · 12/09/2024 02:41

@MrsOvertonsWindow Its great!
Initially I was a bit sceptical having heard so many podcasts on the subject, but these bring close scrutiny to both new details and the breadth of capture.
Well done Julie.
And thanks to @WarriorN for posting, else I'd have not come across it.

WarriorN · 12/09/2024 19:12

No problem, I'm only on episode 4.

It's an excellent and horrific source.

David Bell saying Cass couldn't say certain things in the report he can say was chilling.

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WarriorN · 12/09/2024 19:16

I cannot see how there can't be a public inquiry into this listening to the evidence that is described in this, especially mermaids, gires et al.

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Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/09/2024 23:18

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/09/2024 21:52

I'm part way through this and it's a tough listen. So pleased Julie made this and hope that it gets listened to by everyone. Good that it's on Spotify.

It really needs to be on Radio 4 or be made into a TV documentary on ITV, Channel 4 or the BBC (laughs hollowly at the unlikely possibility of this). Everyone with a conscience needs to listen to Julie's work. These voices deserve to be heard.

Catsmere · 12/09/2024 23:50

TealTraybake · 11/09/2024 17:39

As a lady said in the podcast- it’s the men’s rights movement. 🤮

Yes, it's male supremacism all the way. It's made for abusers. Wiping out women's rights, forcing women and children to submit to perverts' demands, eradicating free speech and freedom of association, separating children from their families. That many women are involved doesn't change that it's custom-made for rapists and paedophiles.

WarriorN · 13/09/2024 09:02

Episode 4 Dr David Bell 36 mins in discusses the ethics of a clinical trial and said he's discussed it with a medical ethics expert.

And sets out his reasoning why it wouldn't be ethical.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 13/09/2024 15:18

The stories of the parents in episode two is heartbreaking - I was shocked at how their children treated them, and how CAMHS + school + LGBT groups treated them, so poorly.

But I think the moment that hit me hardest was when the father described how he came to realise what harm he’d been doing to his daughter by following the affirmation model and taking her to Gender GP.

His guilt and distress at having done what he’d been told to was so palpable and he, and the girl’s mother, are really struggling with what they did by following the affirmation model. But I hope they will someday also feel some measure of relief in the fact that they realised the affirmation model wasn’t helping so they researched alternatives and they finally helped their daughter to desist.

ExtraordinaryMachine1 · 18/09/2024 09:37

I've just got to the Az Hakeem episode and am crying hot angry tears. The rest of it has been awful, but when he talks about how to help children - all of it straightforward, sensible, not hugely costly. But the money and will just isn't there in CAMHS, is it?! I look at colleagues struggling with getting support for their primary school children, and see how much worse support is now than when my children were at that stage, ten years ago. And it was bad enough then. It's no wonder parents and autistic children have been sucked into the internet.

And Julie's mention of the overwhelming number of girl-to-boy cases in Blackpool, and that the dots weren't being joined up. Those poor poor girls. Society has let you down, and I'm so sorry for you and angry for you.

I'm sorry, this is not a coherent rant. I'm so angry and had to vent.

IsabelleSE19 · 23/09/2024 13:48

Have listened to first two episodes open-mouthed on Apple Podcasts app, but apart from all the horrendous stories in the podcast itself, I have been noting that when I come back to the app to listen again, Julie in Genderland does not come up as a suggested podcast like the other ones I have previously listened to, and does not appear in my Recently Played list despite being the thing I have listened to most recently by some distance.

DameMaud · 23/09/2024 17:46

IsabelleSE19 · 23/09/2024 13:48

Have listened to first two episodes open-mouthed on Apple Podcasts app, but apart from all the horrendous stories in the podcast itself, I have been noting that when I come back to the app to listen again, Julie in Genderland does not come up as a suggested podcast like the other ones I have previously listened to, and does not appear in my Recently Played list despite being the thing I have listened to most recently by some distance.

I had that situation on Spotify too!!

BettyFilous · 24/09/2024 12:14

On a similar theme, I have noticed that some gender critical YouTube content is rendered almost unwatchable but long, intrusive and frequent advertorials. I don’t think it is an accident. A recent example was the recording of the Australian psychiatrists where Helen Joyce was on the panel.

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/09/2024 15:20

Betty, I’ve started watching YouTube content with the Brave browser on my devices, with all the browsers shields set to maximum, that usually deals with the issue of intrusive advertorials.

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