‘Demure and mindful’ - oh great.

[LunaNorth]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm23zye08j4o

So this trend. I’m bridling at the ‘demure and mindful’ bullshit being promoted by someone who is performing femininity.

Demure and mindful women seldom make history. Here we go again, being sent back into our boxes by men.

What is a 'clean girl aesthetic'? Never heard of it.

As civilly as repeatedly calling women posting here “bigots”. Civil my arse.

I see no evidence this is true though? Why would a female be derided for making the same meme? Women joke about make up all the time too.

Remember this is someone who took exception to me saying that the behaviour of those on the far right is unique to the far right. I merely pointed out that was biased considering the evidence that those we have seen lately on the left behave the same way.

Ah, here we are. I wondered if I’d missed something, but no. The same scolds turning up to make sure women don’t talk about things they find important without some chaps to tell them off for being wrong.

I just thought that this whole thing exploded as part of a mockery over the person who posted the original video, I didn't think they were being held up as some inspiration.

Women joke about make up all the time

Really? I must have been mixing with wrong women all my life. Some of us wear it some of the time. What's to joke about?

Did you forget your own previous comment?

‘mocking gender norms’ absolutely can be misogynistic- drag being the obvious example.

Funnily enough, GC feminists aren’t keen on misogyny-as-entertainment.

There's nothing "uncivil" about pointing out when behaviour is bigoted, especially since it's far more "uncivil" to be a bigot than it is to call out bigotry when you see it. Do you also scold people who call out racism or homophobia because god forbid they appear rude? Is that a far worse sin than the bigotry they're observing in your book?

Honestly, it's pretty chilling to say you can't call out bigotry when you see it lest it be thought rude. Do you always try and control people's language in this way?

It is not a matter of belief. TW are male by definition.

I think most of us are just sick to death of drag; don't find it funny; don't find it 'celebratory', and in fact find most of it offensive and revelling in negative feminine portrayals. Using words, phrases and 'memes' that have been used to degrade women for a long, long time.

Drag is largely over-blown and ugly caricature......It had its time - when it was subversive for men to wear make-up and dress up 'as a woman'...now, though,it is as antiquated as the B&W minstrel show and just endlessly recycles the same old shit.

Are you exhausted? Must take a lot of energy seeking out all these alleged ‘bigots’ to scold.

Even if you believe that they're male

I'd have to be pretty stupid not to, given that they are. Can you really not acknowledge that indisputable fact?

Can't speak for anyone else on the thread but I'm certainly not a "chap". I know it's nice and easy and comforting to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you by calling them a man but that doesn't make it true.

Are you genuinely trying the "Doesn't she look tired?" move? 🤣🤣🤣

It’s a funny thing how calling out misogyny is tedious and bigoted.
I thought you said it was good to call out bigotry? Why are you so upset when we do?

You can’t BE a TW if you aren’t male!

For female people transition means becoming a transman.

What is the difference, in your view, between a TW and a gay man dressing up and performing feminine gender?

Feminists are also not keen on being dehumanised in the way 'gender criticals' dehumanises.

We would be rightfully deleted if we used terms like 'transes'. And yet, we see extreme transgender rights activists use this dehumanising language all too often.

Love me a bloke in makeup. Especially the ones I thought were straight when I was a teen fan girl.

Guyliner is gorgeous. I dated a miner with coal dust permanently in his lashes. He only looked cool, it turned out he wasn’t.

Now I’m a Wayne Goss fan and there’s another chap on Facebook I like who really slaps it on. Men in make up rock, when they don’t call themselves women.

I wouldn’t use a she pronoun for you - nothing about your username or posting presence indicates female-ness.

I just wonder why someone would actively come to MN FWR to scold feminists - I wouldn’t go to Susan’s Place to scold males with gender identity.

Seems a pointless waste of energy to me.

Yes, I agree with pp that the earnest scolders, rather than the drive bys, are mostly a small number of posters name changing frequently, because most people, whether they agree or disagree, can't be arsed.

Ladies, ladies, settle down! You’re not giving the right impression! Let’s be a little more ladylike!

And again you don't seem to understand what posters are saying.

Does it matter that a male person is wearing make up? NO
Does it matter that a male person makes a joke about wearing make up? NO

Does it matter that a male person is declaring they are female (using female pronouns) while making a joke about being a female wearing supposedly defying female sex stereotypes? YES

Why the fuck is this bullshit news?!