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Tell me again how JKR is the baddie?

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DumbassHamsterSitterPerson · 23/08/2024 16:35

Just saw this on threads. How is it ok. To wish someone dead? How is that being on "the right side of history"?
I disagree with lots of people on various things. I've never thought "I'd rather hear s/he is dead"

Tell me again how JKR is the baddie?
Tell me again how JKR is the baddie?
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TheKeatingFive · 25/08/2024 08:49

HereforHealing · 25/08/2024 01:32

And THAT play (at the Edinburgh Fringe) prompted a review from Susan Chynoweth-Smith and posted by Julie Bindel on her substack.

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/terf

Whether we agree with the idea of a play that questions JK's position or not; look at the language and phrasing used to describe the transwoman in the play.

Again, that is a person, at their place of work - who hasn't said or done anything to Susan Chynoweth-Smith or Julie Bindel.

There are massive issues with safe spaces, prisons, sports, etc...and we desperately need calm conversations about such things.

But I struggle with targeting and tarring all transwomen with the same brush...

I don't understand the relevance of this point. JKR didn't write the play. JKR has said absolutely nothing (to my knowledge) about the play.

Helleofabore · 25/08/2024 08:50

HereforHealing · 25/08/2024 01:32

And THAT play (at the Edinburgh Fringe) prompted a review from Susan Chynoweth-Smith and posted by Julie Bindel on her substack.

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/terf

Whether we agree with the idea of a play that questions JK's position or not; look at the language and phrasing used to describe the transwoman in the play.

Again, that is a person, at their place of work - who hasn't said or done anything to Susan Chynoweth-Smith or Julie Bindel.

There are massive issues with safe spaces, prisons, sports, etc...and we desperately need calm conversations about such things.

But I struggle with targeting and tarring all transwomen with the same brush...

Are you saying that women should not point out the male body cues that allow us to identify the sex of a human?

Or if we are allowed to discuss those features, that we must limit it a number of people that you are comfortable with at a time? And never if they are doing something they are employed to do!

Zita60 · 25/08/2024 08:57

sadmillenial · 25/08/2024 00:53

Im aware this discussion invokes very intense responses, so ill just say right out the door that i am not firmly on either side of the TWAW debate. I genuinely haven't sat down with it enough to know how i feel about all aspects of it.
However, i do have real issues with this; "I still don't understand why she posted multiple times about a (non-criminal) trans football manager to her 14M followers (and the tabloids who echo everything she tweets)?"

JKR retweeted a comment from a doctor who argued for trans youth to have access to support within the nhs. He had about 200 followers compared to her millions of followers, and that just doesnt sit right with me. That feels like (to be kind) an unconscious misuse of platform, and (if not so kind) an abuse of power. These arguments are for the courts, national and international organisations. There's no good in pointing millions of people to abuse a single doctor with no reach or influence

whether we agree with her or not, JKR has made some very poor decisions on social media and put people in danger. I can agree with some arguments, but i'll never think that this is acceptable

whether we agree with her or not, JKR has made some very poor decisions on social media and put people in danger. I can agree with some arguments, but i'll never think that this is acceptable

These days, instead of quote-tweeting someone that she’s responding to, she typically screenshots their tweet and removes their name, unless they’re a well-known figure. That means the original tweeter can’t easily be identified, and it’s less likely there will be a pile on.

It’s hardly her fault if thousands of her followers agree with something she’s written and want to make the same point to the original tweeter. She has never encouraged pile-ons, just expressed her opinion. But she actively tries to avoid doing anything that would lead to a pile-on.

I think she said she didn’t do that with the trans football manager because he had been tweeting at her for months; he wasn’t a random person who had tweeted something she wanted to respond to, so it was reasonable to respond to him by name. He’d been harassing her and clearly trying to provoke a response.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/08/2024 09:02

SnowFrogJelly · 25/08/2024 01:28

I really don't know why JKR doesn't have anything better to do with her time than constantly feeding the trolls on twitter

I think she writes a few novels now and then, funds a rape crisis centre for women and a charity who helps children all over the world.

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2024 09:14

Keepingcosy · 25/08/2024 08:35

So that trans woman living her life is a heterosexual male, fully intact. Do you think it's ok that they share changing rooms as a coach with the females on the team?

They were counted as a diversity hire. Do you think that essentially a white, straight male should be counted towards a diversity hire - potentially in the category of female? In a sport aglut with straight white males which is the whole point of diversity targets?

I feel that JKR is doing nothing more than standing up for women.

Also, as a figurehead with millions of readers, do you think that maybe JKR is speaking for many women in these situations who can't speak out themselves? I hardly think she's tweeting alone.

Quite.

She's speaking on behalf of all the women punched down on.

And gets double standards of abuse when she points out the injustice.

Zita60 · 25/08/2024 09:14

HereforHealing · 25/08/2024 01:32

And THAT play (at the Edinburgh Fringe) prompted a review from Susan Chynoweth-Smith and posted by Julie Bindel on her substack.

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/terf

Whether we agree with the idea of a play that questions JK's position or not; look at the language and phrasing used to describe the transwoman in the play.

Again, that is a person, at their place of work - who hasn't said or done anything to Susan Chynoweth-Smith or Julie Bindel.

There are massive issues with safe spaces, prisons, sports, etc...and we desperately need calm conversations about such things.

But I struggle with targeting and tarring all transwomen with the same brush...

I’ve read that review and I cannot see any evidence for what you’re claiming.

It contains a description of the trans character in the play and how the actor plays the role. It also contains descriptions of other characters and how they are played. It’s a review of a play, and the whole point is to critique the play, its plot and characters, and how the actors perform it.

In no way is this an attack on “a person at their place of work”.

And it is not “targeting and tarring all transwomen with the same brush”. It comments on one transwoman character, and does not in anyway claim this is representative of all transwomen.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/08/2024 09:15

Christinapple · 24/08/2024 23:46

Her "point" can be interpreted more than 1 way.

I get and agree with violent men not being allowed in women's prisons etc but I still don't understand why she posted multiple times about a (non-criminal) trans football manager to her 14M followers (and the tabloids who echo everything she tweets)? What did that achieve exactly other other than put the spotlight on a trans woman who was just living her life exposing her to potential bullying?

Trans women don't even need to be a criminal or competing in sports against women to make JK Rowling's timeline, they just need to exist.

You don’t get why she posted about this man? Link below to his tweets. If some man relentlessly trolled/bullied me on Twitter I’d be inclined to post about him too. So you pour scorn on JKR for calling a middle aged white bloke a middle aged white bloke (which he is) who has bullied JKR and other women, but not him for being the bully? Figures.

https://nitter.poast.org/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114#m

butterbeansauce · 25/08/2024 09:16

SummerSnowstorm · 24/08/2024 21:17

How is she putting transwomen at risk? She's not incited any risk or violence at any point?
And she's definitely not said anything to put real women at risk, everything she says is promoting keeping women and girls safe.

Police investigating JK Rowling death threat after trans activist urged Twitter users to send bomb | Daily Mail Online

It's interesting how people are often claiming on SM that JKR is putting TW at risk. It's DARVO in action right there.

Police investigating JK Rowling death threat as user sent bomb tweet

Police are investigating a death threat against J.K. Rowling after a trans activist urged Twitter users to send a bomb to the author's home.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10976955/Police-investigating-JK-Rowling-death-threat-trans-activist-urged-Twitter-users-send-bomb.html

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/08/2024 09:16

And I’ll ask again @Christinapple like I’ve asked on other threads, can you show me any tweets from her about trans men? Is it trans people she has a problem it’s, or is it MEN?

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2024 09:16

TheKeatingFive · 25/08/2024 08:49

I don't understand the relevance of this point. JKR didn't write the play. JKR has said absolutely nothing (to my knowledge) about the play.

But JKR is responsible for everything. She is responsible for everything everyone she has ever met has said. She's responsible for all the abuse of people she's never meet. She's responsible for global warming and the war in Gaza.

Cos that's how it works.

Helleofabore · 25/08/2024 09:59

Christinapple · 24/08/2024 17:17

Could you help me understand what was achieved when she kept posting snide nasty remarks about a trans football manager? Who happened to be happily married, supported by the team she manages and the other teams, and isn't a criminal?

I saw the football manager got a lot of abuse from JK Rowling's followers, but the people who already supported her were continuing to support her. So what's the outcome from that other than to bully a trans woman who is doing nothing wrong except existing? I keep hearing the word "witch hunt" but that appears to be what JK Rowling is doing to other women.

https://x.com/Elemjay1/status/1827016122152989085

Saw this today which makes a good point. JKR has broken her twitter silence just to slag another women's make-up, even though she may not be perfect herself or 100% natural.

So what is JKR's point here? Just to bully women? That's how it comes across to a lot of people.

Can we look at what her friends are posting too?

https://archive.ph/J4BzI
"His ladycock can go anywhere he likes." Yesterday from Kelly-Jay Keen about the trans woman who won the recent case in Australia.

https://archive.ph/PQeBV
Some disgusting implications made by Julie Bindel about the Chief Executive Officer of Edinburgh Rape Crisis.

Sounds like there could be more court case overs over both those comments. Aren't Maya and Glinner both in some legal trouble too over alleged comments made towards trans/gay people?

While the gender critical movement may have some valid points, JKR and friends aren't doing themselves any favours by bullying women or making potential libellous hateful implications or accusations.

Could you help me understand what was achieved when she kept posting snide nasty remarks about a trans football manager? Who happened to be happily married, supported by the team she manages and the other teams, and isn't a criminal?

You mean the male person who has harassed JK Rowling for a long time before the tweet pointing out that appointing a male person as a manager for a female football team was no something that should be celebrated as an achievement?

That football manager?

The one who has called JK Rowling bigoted, hateful, transphobic amongst other accusations? The one who has a history of posting snide, nasty remarks aimed at JK Rowling and other women.

https://x.com/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

It is remarkable isn’t it? Once a poster has determined that one group is worthy of abuse for using the accurate sex description for a person what they will overlook.

”I saw the football manager got a lot of abuse from JK Rowling's followers”

The football manager, Lucy Clark, has had a long history of abusing women who reject that Clark is a woman. I don’t believe that JK Rowling needed to do anything for women to respond to defend themselves as a group or individually.

But again, we understand you don’t recognise or acknowledge male abuse or violence against female people if it is female people that you disagree with.

Thank you though. Because your posts about Clark keeps pointing out the abusive nature of these male people that you strive to defend.

x.com

https://x.com/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

quantumbutterfly · 25/08/2024 10:01

TheKeatingFive · 24/08/2024 12:53

Because they have huge difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. I think some of them genuinely think this could happen because they want to it.

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I picture them frantically clicking their ruby slippers together....

quantumbutterfly · 25/08/2024 10:17

Keepingcosy · 25/08/2024 08:35

So that trans woman living her life is a heterosexual male, fully intact. Do you think it's ok that they share changing rooms as a coach with the females on the team?

They were counted as a diversity hire. Do you think that essentially a white, straight male should be counted towards a diversity hire - potentially in the category of female? In a sport aglut with straight white males which is the whole point of diversity targets?

I feel that JKR is doing nothing more than standing up for women.

Also, as a figurehead with millions of readers, do you think that maybe JKR is speaking for many women in these situations who can't speak out themselves? I hardly think she's tweeting alone.

Thank you

NoBinturongsHereMate · 25/08/2024 10:38

look at the language and phrasing used to describe the transwoman in the play.

Which wording, @HereforHealing ? Tall? Balding? Baf actor? Not loud enough to be hard at the back? Hats the stuff of theatre criticosm - I'm sure there's similar and worse being said about plenty of other actors at the Fringe. Balding might be a little mean, but as a sign of maleness it is pertinent in this instance.

As for retweeting someone wrh a small follower count, do you check the follower numbers of everyone you retweet? As a doctor commenting on a public forum about NHS policy he was inviting public discussion, and presumably wanted a wide audience.

TheKeatingFive · 25/08/2024 10:43

NoBinturongsHereMate · 25/08/2024 10:38

look at the language and phrasing used to describe the transwoman in the play.

Which wording, @HereforHealing ? Tall? Balding? Baf actor? Not loud enough to be hard at the back? Hats the stuff of theatre criticosm - I'm sure there's similar and worse being said about plenty of other actors at the Fringe. Balding might be a little mean, but as a sign of maleness it is pertinent in this instance.

As for retweeting someone wrh a small follower count, do you check the follower numbers of everyone you retweet? As a doctor commenting on a public forum about NHS policy he was inviting public discussion, and presumably wanted a wide audience.

Also that language has nothing to do with JKR so why are you holding her responsible?

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StealthSpinach · 25/08/2024 11:20

Helleofabore · 25/08/2024 08:50

Are you saying that women should not point out the male body cues that allow us to identify the sex of a human?

Or if we are allowed to discuss those features, that we must limit it a number of people that you are comfortable with at a time? And never if they are doing something they are employed to do!

Welcome to Australia.

StealthSpinach · 25/08/2024 11:30

I do wonder if the NHS doctor who received “abuse” may indeed have been Dr HArr0p? If so, I would suggest the poster do a little research into the abuse from a doctor to various women, as considered by the medical board/court.

Helleofabore · 25/08/2024 12:44

StealthSpinach · 25/08/2024 11:20

Welcome to Australia.

Yeah? Nah! I hear you. It will get better though (I say with everything crossed).

bragpuss · 25/08/2024 13:00

She'll be taken to the cleaners for her transphobic bile and her victims will be awarded her full works and royalties. Mark my words.

TheKeatingFive · 25/08/2024 13:01

bragpuss · 25/08/2024 13:00

She'll be taken to the cleaners for her transphobic bile and her victims will be awarded her full works and royalties. Mark my words.

Is this a pisstake 😂

Helleofabore · 25/08/2024 13:02

TheKeatingFive · 25/08/2024 13:01

Is this a pisstake 😂

I think it is a pipe dream.

spannasaurus · 25/08/2024 13:03

bragpuss · 25/08/2024 13:00

She'll be taken to the cleaners for her transphobic bile and her victims will be awarded her full works and royalties. Mark my words.

1/10 Must try harder

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2024 13:09

bragpuss · 25/08/2024 13:00

She'll be taken to the cleaners for her transphobic bile and her victims will be awarded her full works and royalties. Mark my words.

For what crime?

Being an actual woman?

Shall we duck her or burn her at the stake?

Zita60 · 25/08/2024 13:15

StealthSpinach · 25/08/2024 11:30

I do wonder if the NHS doctor who received “abuse” may indeed have been Dr HArr0p? If so, I would suggest the poster do a little research into the abuse from a doctor to various women, as considered by the medical board/court.

This chap here? Not a nice fellow at all.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10262167/GP-likened-Rowling-Savile-doctor-accused-novelist-not-safe-kids.html

Troll GP likened JK Rowling to Jimmy Savile in sick tweets

In a series of bizarre rambling tweets, Adrian Harrop (pictured), 31, from Liverpool, claimed the beloved children's author 'isn't safe to be around children' due to her views on gender.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10262167/GP-likened-Rowling-Savile-doctor-accused-novelist-not-safe-kids.html

quantumbutterfly · 25/08/2024 13:26

His prejudice seems to be clouding his judgement.