Tell me again how JKR is the baddie?

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Just saw this on threads. How is it ok. To wish someone dead? How is that being on "the right side of history"?
I disagree with lots of people on various things. I've never thought "I'd rather hear s/he is dead"

It's funny to me how people have decided JKR is some kind of conservative who only wants women to look stereotypically feminine despite her never having said that. When IK was at the Olympics and not wearing makeup, people strawmanned that JKR was holding IK to her strict personal beauty standards. After IK's people started a campaign for her to appear in a beauty-related ad and have on earrings, longer, styled hair and what appears to be either or all of the following: heavy makeup; Photoshop; filters, people now complain that JKR still doesn't believe IK is female. Well, quite. Meanwhile I still recall people mocking the photograph of the women JKR had lunch with months ago because some of them were butch, with short hair and no makeup, and saying they looked like men.

She hasn’t shamed women for their application of makeup

stop making stuff up

Filters can be awful

honestly if some of the people i see with obvious filters on their pictures ever go missing the police will never find them

slag another women's make-up
If JKR is going to judge other women's appearances

As Posie Parker, late of this parish, has said when needed: HE'S A MAN! Sorry people I don't know how to make bigly letters but if I did...

Missing the point. JKR is saying that feminisation does not make you any more or less a woman. The filtered PR image of Khelif is meaningless compared to a simple gender test.

Which is exactly what Caster Semenya went through and now she doesn't race women any more. Because of unfairness.

Also, do people really think JKR is alone? She's literally posting on behalf of all the coaches and athletes who asked for Khelif to be gender tested in the first place.

'Which is exactly what Caster Semenya went through and now she doesn't race women any more. Because of unfairness.'

And I doubt we'll see Khelif boxing in women's competitions again either.

It’s about female control. I suspect a lot of them hero worshipped her and can’t believe she won’t say what they want like so many people in the public eye have been forced to, even if they don’t believe it.So they call her a nazi etc.
I suspect a lot of the hate she gets is from a demographic of young people who don’t really believe what they say but are committed to the cause. The fact they can’t say things and cancel her is infuriating to her.
I went to HP studios last week and it was rammed btw. When the new series comes out her wealth will go through the roof.
She’s a queen and I hope she writes Strike books forever.

Her "point" can be interpreted more than 1 way.

I get and agree with violent men not being allowed in women's prisons etc but I still don't understand why she posted multiple times about a (non-criminal) trans football manager to her 14M followers (and the tabloids who echo everything she tweets)? What did that achieve exactly other other than put the spotlight on a trans woman who was just living her life exposing her to potential bullying?

Trans women don't even need to be a criminal or competing in sports against women to make JK Rowling's timeline, they just need to exist.

Only transwomen can say they have a lady penis, often as a form of abuse.

We just can't point out the penis or the abuse even if we see it.

It's a dynamic which makes you ponder somewhat.

So the fact he repeatedly abused her, prior to any response from her, is totally irrelevant?

The only thing that was a problem is her responding to a pattern of abuse? She's supposed to put up with that level of abuse because she's got too many followers? Right ok.

I mean, god only knows what would happen if he had refrained from actively targeting her with abuse. Maybe she wouldn't have called him out for his pattern of abusive behaviour to multiple women. ..

...it's not like she was his first victim now is it?

If I apply one of those filters which changes me into an old person, a baby or a cat, does it change me into an old person, a baby or a cat?

Or do I stay as a woman in my 40s.

Equally if I have extensive plastic surgery to make me look younger, do I actually become younger?

So why does a male using a filter or having plastic surgery suddenly become female?

Should we be concerned about filters affecting our DNA? Should we be worried that we'll grow a mutant arm after having a boob reduction?

I'm just trying to get my head around some of the daft logic going on.

Im aware this discussion invokes very intense responses, so ill just say right out the door that i am not firmly on either side of the TWAW debate. I genuinely haven't sat down with it enough to know how i feel about all aspects of it.
However, i do have real issues with this; "I still don't understand why she posted multiple times about a (non-criminal) trans football manager to her 14M followers (and the tabloids who echo everything she tweets)?"

JKR retweeted a comment from a doctor who argued for trans youth to have access to support within the nhs. He had about 200 followers compared to her millions of followers, and that just doesnt sit right with me. That feels like (to be kind) an unconscious misuse of platform, and (if not so kind) an abuse of power. These arguments are for the courts, national and international organisations. There's no good in pointing millions of people to abuse a single doctor with no reach or influence

whether we agree with her or not, JKR has made some very poor decisions on social media and put people in danger. I can agree with some arguments, but i'll never think that this is acceptable

@sadmillenial how has she put people in danger? I genuinely don't understand what people mean by that.

I feel people's understanding of 'danger' is very different to my own.

oh ok, i should have been more clear.

When she retweeted a person who has 200 followers (ie not an influencer/public figure) she opened them up to millions of people bombarding them with messages which most people don't have experience of. Their workplace was also bombarded with messages, and they had threats of violence. This person had to employ a company to remove all social media and references to them online (including linkedin and other workplace platforms and professional organisations) None of that comes from JKR and im sure she'd be as horrified as anyone else, but it is a result of her actions online. Not everyone can afford security following threats. I think she should be more aware of the impact of her large platform

Their workplace was also bombarded with messages, and they had threats of violence. This person had to employ a company to remove all social media and references to them online (including linkedin and other workplace platforms and professional organisations)

Do you have any evidence for this?

like i said, this isnt an issue im super embroiled in so i didn't come with receipts! This was based on a podcast i listened to where this doctor talked about it, i cant validate it with a link so you can ignore it if you want. Honestly though, i still think a massive public figure retweeting someone without the means to manage the online onslaught is a shitshow anyway, in any forum

It's just that there is so much mud slung at JKR on a continual basis and I have never heard a whisper of this.

But often people with a smaller following want their stuff to be picked up by others with a larger account. It gets their name out there etc.

And tweeting your opinion is inviting others to converse with you.

Of course neither this mystery unknown Dr, or JKR would have known this tweet would blow up like that. So I don't think it's fair to say that JKR put him in danger.

I really don't know why JKR doesn't have anything better to do with her time than constantly feeding the trolls on twitter

And THAT play (at the Edinburgh Fringe) prompted a review from Susan Chynoweth-Smith and posted by Julie Bindel on her substack.

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/terf

Whether we agree with the idea of a play that questions JK's position or not; look at the language and phrasing used to describe the transwoman in the play.

Again, that is a person, at their place of work - who hasn't said or done anything to Susan Chynoweth-Smith or Julie Bindel.

There are massive issues with safe spaces, prisons, sports, etc...and we desperately need calm conversations about such things.

But I struggle with targeting and tarring all transwomen with the same brush...

Could we have a list of all these women whose appearances have been judged by her?

Thanks in advance.

So you're blaming JKR for someone being harassed and abused by a mob who didn't agree with a tweet? Not the individuals doing the harassing and abusing. Righty-oh.

The absolute irony of Khelif taking legal action against JKR for hateful online posts (or posts stating fact) while JKR continues to be on the receiving end of such a huge amount of online hate and abuse, much of it now generated by Khelif's supporters......

It's funny how JKR is responsible for everything including words she hasn't actually said but people pretend she did whilst no one else is ever responsible for their own actions.

I think we are currently scoring 10/17 here.

1. Women are responsible for what men do.
2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.
11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.
12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.
13. Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves.
14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.

So that trans woman living her life is a heterosexual male, fully intact. Do you think it's ok that they share changing rooms as a coach with the females on the team?

They were counted as a diversity hire. Do you think that essentially a white, straight male should be counted towards a diversity hire - potentially in the category of female? In a sport aglut with straight white males which is the whole point of diversity targets?

I feel that JKR is doing nothing more than standing up for women.

Also, as a figurehead with millions of readers, do you think that maybe JKR is speaking for many women in these situations who can't speak out themselves? I hardly think she's tweeting alone.