Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

[Taytoface]

Horrific story about death due to surgical complications, was reading it and poof. Anyone know what happened. This is such important information to get out there.

I think that this imagery on a thread about a person who died in tragic circumstances repulsive.

Who is Dr P?

A psychologist on Twitter. Psychgirl1211 .

It's rather like poking a dead animal and seeing hundreds of flies buzz off the carcass.

That comment is disturbing on so many fronts.

Thanks to @WarriorN for the succinct 07:17 post that perfectly sums up the concerns of many women on this thread.

@OldCrone

So you agree that the discussions are intelligent, even though most of us (according to you) aren't serious or well-informed?

Read again - I wrote that most posters are serious.

Isn't it? That's how I feel about posters who say they are "so concerned" about a young person who is now deceased - so concerned that they discuss them using the wrong pronoun, visit Kiwifarms and sift through old posts and images of theirs (including surgery), etc. So, so solicitous! No, you're fuelled by these things.

Using Griffin’s preferred pronouns contributed to Griffin’s terrible health issues.

Looking for information on kiwi farms is driven by this having been suppressed everywhere else.

Young people are being misled and the wider world seems to be conspiring in that. It’s appalling.

That’s what is being discussed, though you are trying hard to dismiss it as far right bigotry.

Using preferred pronouns is a foundational part of the practice of treating a mental health problem in a way that is very profitable for pharma and surgeons and some psychs and medics, and devastatingly dangerous for the sufferers.

Just as treatment for anorexia nervosa doesn't start with therapists saying 'gosh I'll defer to your mental health problem and pretend you're fat', treatment for people with gender distress shouldn't start with 'gosh I'll defer to your mental health problem in the way I use language'.

Isn't it? That's how I feel about posters who say they are "so concerned" about a young person who is now deceased - so concerned that they discuss them using the wrong pronoun, visit Kiwifarms and sift through old posts and images of theirs (including surgery), etc.

This is a complete non sequitur, but nice try.

Precisely.

And can I add, that Griffin's situation is only because Griffin was female.

Hiding that Griffin was female, using language that is inaccurate and misleading (taking into consideration that we know that many people in the UK are still confused what sex a 'transman' is) leads to confusion.

And being a feminist board, it is also a topic that is very important as it directly impacts female people.

Plus, it is Mumsnet. And many of us are mothers of children who are daily impacted by the issues discussed on this particular board.

It is remarkable to see accusations about the lack of sincerity of how important posters on this board think this case and all the other children and young people who are accessing experimental treatment are. A treatment that has been promoted under the umbrella of Gender Affirming Care that seems to not be centring the holistic needs of the patients that these clinicians are treating.

''Treat mental health conditions with therapy, not with drugs and surgery.''

This.

As a child, I desperately wanted to be a boy.

They had much more fun, had more freedom- I even tried peeing through a loo roll inner at a young age,{Once} wanting to be a boy - I dreaded puberty, and feared periods and didn't want breasts.

But came to terms with it - puberty is hard on so many girls in particular.

It is clearly a mental health issue, and I'm so glad that hormones and surgery wasn't a ''thing'' back then.

No, you said that you thought that most of us were not serious and well-informed. This is what you wrote:

You can believe all you want that this is more academic than the rest of Mumsnet, and most posters here are serious and well-informed, but that's not what I've gleaned over a few good years reading FWR.

Do you believe people can change sex?

Do you believe it's possible for people to literally be born in the wrong body?

I’ll say this one more time. Caliga, along with freedom dogs before and others, has absolutely no insight or understanding or empathy for mothers with concerns about what has happened to Griffin happening to their own vulnerable children. And I am sick of the sanctimonious self righteous grandstanding from someone not at the coal face. Someone most likely without children. Possibly some grad from Aston. Ready to sacrifice the health, happiness and lives of vulnerable young people on the alter of genderism. So no more responses or engagement with these deeply unpleasant posts.

Absolutely DrB

Grey rocks are generally useful in such circumstances.

You are certainly not alone.

I suffered terribly from what would be called gender dysphoria when I was a tween/teen. I told my mum that I wanted to be a boy, she told me that it was not unusual but the reality was it was never going to happen.

Yes DrB. It is a constant tropish comment that really says more about the poster than the people that are being accused.

I cannot imagine what goes through someone's head that they think that posters on a parenting board would not be hugely concerned by this and want to discuss how things like this can happen and what changes may need to happen to prevent such horrific reports such as Griffin's own posts from happening.

@OldCrone

Do you believe people can change sex?
No.*
*
Do you believe it's possible for people to literally be born in the wrong body?
No, not really. I do see that some people might feel unsatisfied with who they are or how they look, though, and feel the need to make changes. Therapy would be a good first step first, of course.

A couple of my friends were exactly the same.
We were definite tomboys.
But ''Gender dysphoria'' wasn't thought of, then.

Looking back at some old family videos, I saw my ''tween/teen'' self, and it looked like a tall, slim boy! -''Tomboys'' were acceptable.

If someone has offered me ''puberty blockers'' at 11- I'd have taken them like a shot!

Dr Blackbird, I apologise, as you seem so upset at my posts. Nothing is aimed at you personally. I do have children (and am not an Aston grad BTW). I've been nothing but honest. My concern is only that Griffin is being exploited posthumously and on atrocious sites like KF. Even if MN posters have kinder motives, do other KF users?

Same oakleaffy. Same.

All the adults kept referring to me as a boy most of my childhood, too.

I think there are plenty of us on this board have similar stories and insights. It makes sense that we do though, despite what some people think about posters on this board .

I've seen what parents go through when their ND or child with MH issues latches onto transitioning as the answer to all their problems. I'm part of a group that includes parents who are living with this nightmare at the moment, terrified that their child is going to do something that will have a massive negative long-term effect on their lives. One of my friends in the group has a very mentally unwell daughter who is threatening to cut off her own breasts if she's not given a mastectomy on the NHS. She's 15 and a very troubled girl.

I agree that the glibness of some of the comments on here is deeply, deeply offensive. I also agree that the only way of coping with it is not to engage.

What on earth does 'no not really' mean in response to the question 'Do you believe it's possible for people to literally be born in the wrong body?'

Being 'unsatisfied with how they look' is part of the human condition. Being unhappy with their eyes that can't see properly, or their inability to walk, or not being tall enough to get things off the top shelf - none of those mean the body is 'wrong'.

And as for unsatisfied with who they are, that's up to them to change or adapt to, but again, not an indication that the body is in any way 'wrong'.

ps, for the avoidance of doubt, my own response to the question is no of course not. Even people with DSDs aren't in 'the wrong body'. They, like partially sighted people, or deaf people, or people with mental or physical developmental disorders, are in their own body, the only one they'll ever have.