Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

[hellotowel]

https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

Posting this here for awareness, if anyone wants to sign this. Or, more likely, argue about it for a thousand posts while saying nothing new.

Dammitt I had money on Cassie being the first to start a thread about this.

Please would someone say how GC opinions have anything to do with targeting Muslims? I cannot make this article out.

As far as I am aware, Muslim women in
particuoar are seen by GC people as needing protection from having to exclude themselves due to men/transwomen in women’s spaces.

Not sure why you are so het up.

There have already been threads about various statements from women's groups following the terrible events in Southport, and its a bit arrogant that days later all these signatories think they have to tell us how to think, when we / women's groups have already done it.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5132742-womens-groups-ask-government-to-acknowledge-southport-attack-part-of-epedemic-of-vawg

And then there was this https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5136933-southport-lack-of-willingness-to-identify-this-as-primarily-an-issue-of-male-violence who are genuinely long term campaigners.

But I presume in the relentless vendetta against KJK who they make more important that she is, they just cant help themselves. At least Jo Phoenix had the guts to address what was (alleged) to have been said - see https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5138663-5138663-talking-about-asian-grooming-gangs-some-history-and-a-few-realities-jo-phoenix

I imagine this is Actual Gender Critical Left who if they put as much effort into doing something pro active instead of endless whining about GC women doing this that and the other that might get somewhere. Their latest target being Reduxx where they seem to have taken a sarcatic comment as a statement of fact.

In fact the issue is far more important that this sort of petty grudge match posting. It was like that fake web site set up when KJK went to Australia puporting to be some group or the other. But never heard of again.

Just look at the signatories its the same AGCL, WPUK, FiLia etc (remember the thread about the FiLia workshop "the elephant"). Its the same underhand slurring implying something about groups of women who have never said anything to justify this self serving rant.

Apart from the one alleged comment by KJK which gender critcal women have said what.

Talk about exploiting a real tragedy to just carry on what are basically personal vendettas.

If it wasn't so serious as issue it would be just plain childish.

OP - please can you provide a list of groups with evidence, ie twitter, facebook or whatever, where any women's groups or individual woman has said anything like the conveniently vague insinuation of anti muslim ... what?

If not then this statement has other motives, and i think it really sad that members of Labour Women's Declaration have signed it.

Or is this what this is about.

Showing the Labour Party that they are good members by making this sort of virtue signalling non evidence statement against .... what??

I think the association is there now. Seeing well known GC faces supporting Yaxley-Lennon was too much for me.

I think some in the GC twittersphere align very well with those on the far right. They leave women like me alienated. My enemy's friend is my enemy, kind of thing.

Seeing well known GC faces supporting Yaxley-Lennon was too much for me.

Where was this said.

Please evidence it.

I am genuinely interested to see what, if anything, any supposedly GC had said.

Yes, the association between some gender critical views and far right, anti-Muslim, populist, racist views is well and truly in the public domain.

I don't blame signatories wanting to put some clear blue water between their views and those of Yaxley-Lennon and his growing legions of supporters who identify as gender critical.

the association between some gender critical views and far right, anti-Muslim, populist, racist views is well and truly in the public domain

Please evidence this.

I am getting fed up of being lectured by people oh yes this is well known but then cant show an example.

Who is saying what.

At the moment it just seems to be motivated by some women who have for whatever reason grudges against other women and create this whole "I am so shocked" but never provided any evidence that any of this was said.

Vacuous virtue signalling.

Who is conning who?

It's sad that such high profile individuals are justifying baseless accusations in this way. If anything, it makes me suspicious that they've something to hide.

There are details in that twitter thread and I believe it was somewhat controversial at the time. One lady felt hounded off twitter after her attendance at a TR rally. I used to follow lots of GC voices on twitter, but it’s hard to unsee that association once one has noticed it. That association is very problematic for me. I accept it isn’t the case for everyone.

@hellotowel thank you for trying but looking at the responses to your tweet, I’d say you may be in a minority :(

What on earth is this all about? One or two people with GC views also have some unsavoury racist opinions, and suddenly we all have to fall over ourselves to disavow the view of totally unrelated others???

Total non-issue to anyone with a brain, but a great way to divide and conquer.

Actually I looked at the signatories and it’s quite heartening to see some of those names. Thanks OP.

I'm somewhat unhappy to see women, who have the same views as I do about sex and gender, speaking and singing at "Tommy Robinson " rallies. Seeing others, such as Fair Cop, speaking of two tier policing, when the narrative they are pushing is that Muslim people get a better deal from the police than white people.

Yes, it's all a complete non-issue and stalwarts of the feminist movement like Julie Bindel, Rosie Duffield, Jo Phoenix, Karen Ingala Smith, Sian Sullivan, Lucy Masoud, Rachel Rooney, Bev Jackson, Beatrix Campbell, Pragna Patel have just signed it for shit and giggles.

Some suffragettes, including Mary Richardson, joined the British Union of Fascists. Does that mean the suffragettes were the baddies?

How tiresome does Mumsnet get in the school holidays?

I love the way they never make petitions to get the paraphiliacs out of their midst. they just double down and blame everyone else.

But the "gc movement"? It needs to show moral fiber or be discredited forever. Unrepentant sinners they are!

I don’t give a toss what ‘groups’ someone may or may not be associated with.

I just dont care. Far Left, Far Right and anyone in between that holds true the knowledge that men will never, be woman and is willing to support natal women in achieving that recognition, is okay with me. I can’t stand Corbin, but if he was to declare that no one can change their biological gender, I’d agree with him.

I’m not against transgender people living as they please providing women are not expected to move over to allow them to take our rights away. A Man in a dress will always be a man in a dress. Period.

No one, and I really mean no one, gets to tell me what I must believe.

The suffragettes were campaigning for the right to vote, for any party legally standing. A somewhat different stance from those campaigning for women's rights currently, standing alongside racists.

Myaltenative no-one is telling you what you must believe. Don't be so silly.

The signatories to this letter are saying that they want to draw a clear line between their gender critical views and those of people who stand with racists, promote populism and jump on any anti-Muslim band wagon going.

Just hope they have the integrity to leave X.

Surely that would simply leave x as a place where only the right wing speak?

The signatories to this letter are saying that they want to draw a clear line between their gender critical views and those of people who stand with racists, promote populism and jump on any anti-Muslim band wagon going.

But that's not what they are doing. Its the same all gang jumping on an issue to try and trash by insinuating all other gender critical woman are doing it wrong.

It's pathetically childish.

As yet no one has been able to name of quote anyone who had said anything implied in the statement.

At least Jo Phoenix addressed it directly and wrote a well thought out and historically interesting article.

So if anyone is trashing the reputation of GC women it is this petulant slurring of other women, which although dressed up as politics, is just about virtue signalling to each other - and apparently the Labour Party.

Still waiting for someone to quote a tweet, facebook post or comment piece that tallies with the allegations in this concoction of virtue.

Looks like the headgirls are losing their grip.

Crying wolf.

So just to be boringly prosaic, I look forward to someone providing evidenced quotes that confirms the assertions in the article.

There were a number of women praising the woman from Wakefield who performed at the Tommy Robinson March, also women who claim to be gender critical who spoke at the March, and who swelled the numbers. I do not screen shot x comments, so cannot do as demanded by people on this thread, but to quote purists, do your research.

Its amazing isn't it. All those proudly proclaiming their left wing credentials but still on twitter.

It was always bad but with recent Musk muscle flexing its astonishing anyone with any intergrity is still using (what is anyone a minority) platform.