Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

Implying? She is a Nationalist who sat as an MP for a Nationalist party.

Disagreeing with Muslims is now saying they are lesser or despicable? This is all just another version of #NoDebate. Trying to censor those who hold different opinions by calling them far right, or transphobes.

So you’re seriously going to change your carefully thought through views because someone you don’t like agrees with you? Wow! Try engaging your critical thinking skills to develop a solid foundation for your point of view then you might produce some actual, credible argument?!

FFS, people can agree on one thing and disagree on another - why is that so difficult to grasp? I bet it applies to every person you’ve ever met 🙄

The point I am questioning is why KJK is awful for attacking Muslims because of grooming gangs, but her superiors (?) are fine to look down on Muslim parents who don’t want young children taught a certain curriculum?

The point I am questioning is why KJK is awful for attacking Muslims because of grooming gangs, but her superiors (?) are fine to look down on Muslim parents who don’t want young children taught a certain curriculum?

I think the gentry left are safe to hold nuanced views but we lessers can't be trusted to hold them without becoming crazed Nazis.

YY Tinsel

To the poster who feels that Julie Bindle is wrong for writing for "right wing" outlets, I think that is a a result of left wing publications boycotting her, because of her gender critical views. Presumably some posters think that she should just not write, if she can't be published by the left?

I thought the 'pale' was the wall around Dublin, made of wooden stakes? Mebbe I'm wrong.

I've even heard that not all Muslims share the same beliefs on every subject. Shocking, I know.

It reminds me of the people who don't just not like GB News but seem to think it shouldn't be allowed to exist. Presumably because it's too much of a danger to us unaware lessers.

To the poster who feels that Julie Bindle is wrong for writing for "right wing" outlets, I think that is a a result of left wing publications boycotting her, because of her gender critical views. Presumably some posters think that she should just not write, if she can't be published by the left?

Perhaps some other posters shouldn't be so judgmental to other women who feel abandoned by the left then.

I think people are pointing out the inconsistency that it's OK for enlightened gentry lefters to associate with the right if it benefits them, and they remain unsullied if they do so , but it's not OK for the rest of us.

Returning a library book? Watch it. By teatime you'll be accused of supporting the Liverpool library arsonists. That's how it works right?

This letter may well alienate some women, but aligning with the far right also alienates some women. Or don’t they matter?

I have to say I struggle to equate writing for the telegraph to standing next to Tommy Robinson on a March, but some obviously see an equivalence.

Yea. Which is why “of course they all treat women terribly because they’re Muslim’” is clearly bollocks. Doesn’t stop people saying it though.

I think you mean NAMMALT. (Not all Muslim men are like that)

I never said she was wrong.

She can write for who she wants. But then signing open letters against other people who might engage with other right wing events, is hypocritical. She cannot bear this ever being noted though as her left wing feminism apparently runs through her. Until she has bills to pay. Then it is fine.

I have to say I struggle to equate writing for the telegraph to standing next to Tommy Robinson on a March, but some obviously see an equivalence

You don't have to stand next to TR to be labelled far right though. I've never even voted Conservative let alone stood with TR. Yet I've been told I'm tarnished by right wing associations on here.

The measure of who is and who isn't associated is inconsistent.

Just had to share this.
https://x.com/AjaTheEmpress/status/1824050900186358076?t=3Ox6QQwlH5e4mhsnjlYccg&s=19

It appears we've fallen into a damaging pattern where the act of denunciation has become an end in itself, rather than a means to resolve meaningful issues.

The surge of these denunciations only serves to widen divides and intensify misunderstandings. Instead of promoting constructive dialogue or encouraging thoughtful debate, these actions have become tools for self-righteousness, alienation, and performative outrage.

By signing such a letter, you and others have contributed to a culture that values public shaming over mutual understanding. This approach is not only unproductive but also harmful to the very foundation of our discourse. Rather than building connections, these actions destroy them, leaving behind only the remnants of what could have been meaningful conversations.

Denouncing someone should never be the first step in addressing a disagreement. It should be a last resort, reserved for the most extreme cases where dialogue has failed or where harm is undeniable. To use it carelessly is to diminish its importance and undermine the very principles that should guide our interactions.

I urge you and all those involved to consider the impact of your actions. Reflect on the importance of engaging directly with those you disagree with, instead of resorting to public denunciations that only deepen hostility. We must strive to break this cycle of condemnation.

So if I sign it I’m not far right.
If I don’t sign it, I am far right.

Am I right?

I don’t know anything about that petition, but I don’t understand your point that "it was definitely saying Muslim views are lesser or even despicable". Couldn’t it just have been saying that people disagreed with those views?

Your post reminds me uncomfortably of TRAs who interpret any disagreement with their aims as hatred of them and a wish to see them dead.

I think that tweet is over-interpreting the letter. It is just a letter making clear that contrary to what some people allege, not everyone with GC views shares the same right-wing views that some of them espouse.

There is a widespread lazy assumption that all GC people are right-wing, and the letter provides a robust challenge to that assumption. That’s all.

Who are they shaming? Who is named? They’re quite clear who they mean

“We mean anyone who justifies or incites the violent scapegoating of immigrants and minoritised communities, including the violent and criminal anti-Muslim leader who calls himself Tommy Robinson and those who support or defend him.
We also mean those who have jumped on the previous misuse of the ‘far-right’ label by over-zealous sections of the liberal left to now question, minimise or even deny altogether the existence of the far right and the grave and very real threat it poses to the safety and well-being of communities across the UK.”