Olympic Boxer names J K Rowling in lawsuit for cyberbullying

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https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newl crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.

Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris public prosecutor’s office on Friday.

The lawsuit was filed against X, which under French law means that it was filed against unknown persons. That “ensure[s] that the ‘prosecution has all the latitude to be able to investigate against all people,” including those who may have written hateful messages under pseudonyms, said Boudi. The complaint nevertheless mentions famously controversial figures

And I thank you for it. As an amateur rower :)

@mansplainingsincethe90s
Why did the IBA disqualify Imane Khelif?

Let's not forget the Algerian official who placed their hand on Khelif's chest at breast height.

What official would ever do this to a person they believed was female while in the world's spotlight?

The inconsistencies are now too many.

This was posted for @WishIMite to answer, but it was obviously missed.

Anyone else who supports Khelif and Lin competing in the female category at the Olympics due to poorly formed category definitions want to answer?

Or has it sunk in that actually, personal integrity is seen as part of being a respected sportsperson and that if a loophole exists, it doesn't mean that you should put get into a ring knowing you are a male athlete with pubertal advantage and punch female athletes in the face for your own personal glory?

This reminds me of a cricket tournament my youngest son was a part of, when he played for the U13s. They made the finals and were expected to win the trophy as they had a very strong side. Except the opposition club sent mostly 16yos to play (nothing in the rules stated players had to be U13, though it was an U13 tournament). Well, obvs the difference in strength and development between a 13yo and a 16yo is marked, and the opposition trounced my son's team. It was carnage, and I've never seen a more devastated group of boys in my life. With each wicket that fell, the 16yos whooped and hollered.

The "winners" and their coach celebrated hard, and the coach even had the nerve to tell my son's coach "to suck it" when he asked why he had brought such an old team to an U13 event. After every single parent and coach complained to the governing body, the rules were changed to clearly state an age. But, really, shame on that coach and those boys for what they did.

Sport is not just about mental and physical prowess, but about integrity and sportsmanship. Anyone who enters a competition knowing they have a grossly unfair advantage - even without firm rules in place - has no integrity at all.

@Datun andn@Snowypeaks thank you for your thoughtful and detailed answers. As youve said Im getting information from other sources so struggled to understand some of this conversation and the allegations, grateful for you taking the time to contextualise for me.

@Helleofabore of course though as datun and snowypeaks have said swyer syndrome may not be accurate but I was looking at:

NLH national library of medicinehttps://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/

Cleveland Clinic: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/swyer-syndrome

Nord National organisation for rare diseases:https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/swyer-syndrome/

National cancer institute:https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/swyer-syndrome

Based on these and my understanding of womanhood and the importance of being socialised female, I would suggest that why there is an argument that they are ineligible for professional sports they should not be called a man. Menstruation and breasts are not what make a woman.

However, i have been educated that this may not be the case here and am better informed and grateful to contributors.

Yep absolutely

Who is advising Khelif to do this? Sue JKR? What a fool he is to even consider such a stupid thing.
I'm laughing at his stupidity.

Good for you @Dumptytree

Factual and informative debate, it's properly great. Everything can be fact-checked and researched if people don't scream NO DEBATE.

Arrogance that's what's making him do it. The same arrogance that drives Caster.

I actually hope he does go for it and the courts blow him wide open, expose his testicles to the world. And make a mockery of his passport and the IOC.

The IOC need to grow a pair!

No Dumpty, I apologise that I was not clear.

Why did you claim that it was most likely that these two boxers had Swyers? Or was it purely from your own understanding on womanhood.

And yes, over the years we have had many discussions about whether people with Swyers and CAIS should be socially considered women or not. It is an important distinction, of course, to make that this is different to sport. Plus, there is a difference between saying they are male people with Swyers etc too.

I was just wondering if you had found a reliable source for the claim for Swyers as we have seen many posters claim it with no evidence that the condition refers to Khelif at all. Because I would love to see where this claim has originated if there is a source to be found.

Thanks for answering though.

I still recommend you checking out the twitter feeds from Dr Emma Hilton too. She went through this earlier in the week.

And here is an informative Media briefing from Sex Matters including Developmental Biologist Professor/Dr Emma Hilton, plus the real life experience of competing with people with testosterone derived advantages, Olympians Mara Yamauchi and Sharron Davies.

Dr Hilton is speaking about DSDs and sports in general. The Gold Report on YouTube ‘The BBC is lying'.

I think the boxer themselves comes from a very poor family and their boxing is a route to a better life, not just for them but their whole family. I actually can't blame them in my heart for wanting to do the best they can - I think most people, in that situation would find it really difficult to choose not to let down their family in favour of vague "principles". Plus, there is just enough nuance in the situation to persuade oneself that it is "fair" under those circumstances - particularly when they are surrounded by their coach, government, local media etc telling them it is fair. I don't think you could make an impartial judgement in those situations.

So I don't actually blame them. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it is wrong, and that many women from equally poor families could have had opportunities taken away for example. Its also just wrong for them to be in the ring with a woman. And I don't think you can blame people pointing out the truth - that they have XY chromosomes, are at fault for other people using that as an excuse to attack them. The very cynical people that deliberately put them into the Olympics, and the IOC themselves, are at fault the most.

It's all speculation that this boxer even has a DSD, isn't it? And that he was raised believing he was female? I've seen lots of claims no actual proof of either. If someone has links showing the boxer as a kid, I'd like to see them.

That may be the case, but I don't think fairness and integrity and male advantages in sport are that vague, do you?

They are pretty concrete, well documented things.

I know that however poor we were, my parents would not condone my brother punching a woman in the face for money and glory.

But the term cheat does depend on weather he is male or not. So surely it will come up.

Who is paying ? Is Khelif wealthy now ?

He's taking JK Rowling and Elon Musk to court. He hasn't a hope in hell.

I imagine JKR runs her tweets by someone before she posts, Elon probably not but it doesn't really matter.

Remember when Elon called that diver a pedo and the guy took him to court? He lost.

The audacity of men astounds me. He wins the female boxing, takes a title/medal that actually belongs to a woman, and then sues people for complaining about it? It would be funny if it wasn’t so offensively infuriating.

@Helleofabore, youre completely right, I didnt have any source that with evidence that gave a diagnosis. As far as I'm aware no test results from anyone or medical records have been released so everything is to a point speculation. I just heard it so often and it seemed to fit with the evidence I was aware of that I took it as most likely. It made sense given my understanding at the time.

I'm completely aware Im in a rather liberal lefty bubble so actively seeking understanding elsewhere. Some of the people and resources mentioned in this thread I have never come across, never heard of. Wouldnt know to follow or look at what they are saying but will now.

I think the way the internet is set up with the algorithms sorting everyone into neat boxes is you never hear dissenting views, the other side. We're all lesser for it.

I have real doubts that he even has a DSD. Algeria is a conservative society. Nothing, nothing about him or the people around him indicate in any way that he either sees himself as a woman or that other Algerians see him as a woman.
Just look at the pic of him on another mans shoulders, that would NEVER happen if people thought he was a woman.
Man handling or touching women by men is very taboo in Muslim societies, its just not a thing that happens and having yourself photographed on the shoulders of a man would cause an outrage.
I think the DSD thing was pulled out the IOC ass in a panic when the shit hit the fan.

Sorry that should say Algeria is a conservative society even by Muslim standards.

I hear you.

What is interesting is that I am also in a lefty leaning bubble socially. But the women are all professional women who have been through all the negative sex discrimination in their lives and now are all saying the same thing - 'like fuck we have to accept someone who is male taking opportunities meant for women'! If there is any doubt, then the IOC needs to find out and put a stop to it'. And when I tell the how it all came about from activists responsible for the 1999 decision, they are horrified to think they did not know what was happening 25 years ago.

I have noticed in the last year or so that the 'no debate' stance has been quietly parked by quite a few TRAs (after it had backfired spectacularly) and the new narrative of 'we want to talk but both sides have been too toxic' has been adopted (while ignoring the masked poundshop paramilitaries screaming at every womens gathering).

That's true. And it takes an effort of will to sometimes look at things you may disagree with.

Emma Hilton is very knowledgeable. Well worth a look. I've never seen her effectively refuted anywhere.

Caster Semenya has the exact same DSD. But was marketed, with wild success, as being a masculine looking woman with naturally high testosterone. And it was prurient and wrong to speculate about her genitalia. (just like Khelif)

It was only because Caster took the entire issue to court, as he was eventually banned, that the specific DSD came to light.

He has has since said that having testes does not make him less of a woman 🙄

And wants to be president of world athletics, to encourage more women in sport.

It's gaslighting on steroids.

So when Khelif showed up, quite a few people were already totally wised up to male DSDs and how they are exploited in women's athletics.

What they hadn't quite expected was the massive social media drive to convince the general public otherwise.

To me, that is the real issue. It's machiavellian manipulation on a global scale.

Although any diagnosis is based on speculation, there are factors that make some DSDs highly unlikely. The two boxers are physically viralised with body shape changes that suggest they have been through a male not a female puberty.

The two XY DSDs that have previously been considered not to confer a significant advantage due to a lack of a testosterone driven puberty ( CAIS and Swyer) are therefore highly unlikely.

People with Swyer will not go through puberty at all without HRT due to non-functioning streak gonads. For anyone to have wide shoulders, highly muscular chest and arms, narrow hips and male leg angles they would have to have natural testosterone or testosterone supplements.

In CAIS the body is unresponsive to testosterone from the internal testes, it is converted into oestrogen and they develop a female phenotype, breasts etc but no periods or pubic hair. Again this does not fit with either boxer.