Major - American Society of Plastic Surgeons - evidence for gender surgery on children low quality

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Big news the US medical situation is changing before the first detrans court cases hit.

A Consensus No Longer
The American Society of Plastic Surgeons becomes the first major US medical association to challenge the consensus of medical groups over “gender-affirming care” for minors.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-consensus-no-longer

But the U.S. consensus now appears to have its first big fracture. In July, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, a major medical association representing 11,000 members and over 90 percent of the field in the U.S. and Canada, told me that it “has not endorsed any organization’s practice recommendations for the treatment of adolescents with gender dysphoria.” ASPS acknowledged that there is “considerable uncertainty as to the long-term efficacy for the use of chest and genital surgical interventions” and that “the existing evidence base is viewed as low quality/low certainty.”

The nhs legal cases will be more around puberty blockers than surgery. For minors anyway.

This is absolutely good news. Hopefully it will prompt the other medical professional bodies to make similar statements. Cuts the ground away from the insanity of the TRAs.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, I hope they're waking up to the inadequacy 'only following orders' is as a defence.

We all guessed that this would happen as soon as lawyers got involved.
This will be a massive earner for them and these butcher surgeons must be unable to sleep at night.

Interesting. I agree that as well as moral reasons they're scared they'll get the blame because their work is more "visible."

I wonder if they have to deal with a lot of strange requests not related to this kind of thing, like people who want to look like cats or celebrities. An important part of their job is saying no

Well, somebody implanted a microchip into Scarlet Blake. I doubt he did it himself.

Will patients be able to sue plastic surgeons who deliberately don't have medical malpractice insurance, like Sidhbh Gallagher? No win no fee lawyers won't help if they don't think they'll get any money from the case.

I don't know. You can buy them online, complete with syringe. I've found them on ebay, for instance.

😧

Can't they use crowdfunding?

Unless they or their families are well off, they'll probably have to at least try crowdfunding.

There are a bunch of lawyers starting to specialize in these cases. I think they are doing it on a no win, no fee basis as no sign of crowdfunding. They are sensible as it looks likely HUGE payouts are possible for them and their clients.

Good article on it here it is:
https://www.nysun.com/article/lawsuits-by-regretful-detransitioners-take-aim-at-medical-establishments-support-for-gender-transition-treatments-for-minors?

The two lawsuits that pose the biggest threat to the AAP in particular were filed in October by a Dallas law firm that promotes itself as fighting for “justice for the detransitioner community,” Campbell Miller Payne. These “detransitioners” are people who regret medically transitioning and have reverted to identifying and presenting as their biological sex.

These two cases are part of a burgeoning litigation movement that to date includes at least nine other detransitioner suits against care providers, all filed since August 2022. Campbell Miller Payne has filed five such suits all told, has one additional case close to filing and more in development, according to firm partner Jordan Campbell.

That article is from December in the last 8 months cases have progressed and have led to access to WPATH information which shows how corrupt/deluded that organisation is. Legally the cases are looking stronger than ever.

The genderists in the States have some skilled lawyers and a LOT of institutional power, but their position is built on sand. That is why the Plastic Surgeons are backtracking now.

Theses cases are going to really start hitting in 2025/6/7. As soon as one wins hundreds more of detrans people will look at legal action.

As we see from the UK the genderists are never going to admit they were wrong - they will find excuses. The important thing is gender stuff will become unfashionable lots of people who played along will go onto next fad. They will never admit women were right though. Lives will be saved though.

Yes it's quite depressing that it takes financial concerns rather than ethical ones to turn the tanker.

I recall some similar adverts in the UK last year? Presumably the WPATH revelations, Cass, all the reverse ferreting of organisations and even the paedophile scandal at Mermaids will all be contributing to the evidence?
While I know it will be the NHS they'll go for (with no doubt multi million £££ cases given the extent of harm caused) I can't help wishing they'd go for the assortment of dubious individuals and groups who've been allowed to push this at children.

Makes me want to cry 😢

It may be depressing but it's also entirely predictable. It was always going to be this way. I will take the good of it.

Considering how long it's taking medical scandals like the contaminated blood I can see this stretching on for decades.

littlbrowndog · 13/08/2024 07:46

12 year ld girls having double mastectomies. how does any surgeon justify that?

Yes, do you remember this being discussed last year? Several poster were adamant that it hadn't happened and never would.

This includes 50 to 179 girls who were 12.5 or younger at the time of their procedure. (“Top surgery” on 12-year-old girls <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/f2mR6/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36248210" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">has been reported in the medical literature.)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36248210/

Unfortunately it's not just mastectomies. I've made a post about the increase in "gender affieming care" and there is plenty of genital surgery in that cohort too...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5141273-frequency-of-gender-affirming-surgical-interventions-in-the-us

Ingenieur · Today 11:39

Thank you for the link.

More detail:

ASPS statement to press regarding gender surgery for adolescents
Wednesday, August 14, 2024
Many ASPS members may have read the recent article titled "A Consensus No Longer" published Aug. 12 by City Journal, which cites the American Society of Plastic Surgeons as the first major medical association to challenge the "consensus" of medical groups over gender surgery for minors. more
https://www.plasticsurgery.org/for-medical-professionals/publications/psn-extra/news/asps-statement-to-press-regarding-gender-surgery-for-adolescents#:~:text=The%20following%20is%20the%20ASPS,of%20adolescents%20with%20gender%20dysphoria.

Meanwhile

‘No good evidence’ for teen gender surgery: Plastic Surgeons head
ASPS president questions long-term efficacy of gender surgery
Dr. Steven Williams: 'Important to proceed with caution'
Dr. Sheila Nazarian: Cultural politics are also at play

LOS ANGELES (NewsNation) — The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) says his practice does not provide gender-affirming surgeries for adolescents, saying its long-term efficacy is questionable.

Despite some support in the medical community for providing gender-affirming surgeries to minors, Dr. Steven Williams tells NewsNation it is not something he provides at his practice.

“I don’t perform gender-affirming care in adolescents and the reason why is because I don’t think the data supports it,” Williams said. “So at my practice, we don’t even entertain that.” more

https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/exclusive-teen-gender-surgeries-asps/

The signs are the medical part of the gender train is running out of track in the US. I think it derails c 2025-7 after detrans cases start winning. Blue states will artificially try and keep it on track in their states, but the time is running out.

Only two more years of butchering children for no good reason.

Lawyers will be circling like vultures.
Sad though it is, it will be the financial consequences of these surgeries that will finally be the tipping point.
But if that's the reason I'll take it.

People from outside the USA need to remember that it's a for profit system there and money talks - young person with enabling parents demand gender related surgery and someone is willing to take their (or their insurance company's) money. It's a disjointed system so even if the surgeon says you need a report from a psychiatrist, there's always going to be a willing psychiatrist who will write the paperwork. All about self referral and parents too scared about mental health to say no!

I don't think it's an issue elsewhere because it's not possible to get surgery as easily, rules are stricter for starters

It will be no coincidence that she is working in Florida as not only does she not need insurance there, it is also the easiest state to place assets beyond the reach of the courts:

https://www.lulich.com/what-every-floridian-should-know-about-asset-protection/