THANK YOU MATTHEW PINSENT

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On the Beeb now saying clear as day that the entire controversy over the boxing was wrong, it was the IOC's own fault and it needs fixing in the next Olympics cycle. No mention of individual athletes - the blame squarely where it belongs, with the mess the IOC allowed to happen.

I was a rower so he's a bit of a God to me anyway, but to say it so clearly and simply when I've been infuriated by practically everything I've read or heard about it, whichever angle it was from, was just AWESOME.

As you indicate, the first group are all long term and familiar GC voices.

Maybe less clear, but Coe has been diplomatically supportive for some years and McGuigan spoke up in advance of the Olympics (I recall seeing something in January).

I'm very pleased you're seeing a difference. I'm mixing with a mass of HCPs who have already bought into the ideology and for whom all of this misinformation has created the feeling that they're out of touch with the science that sex isn't binary but more a fluid syndrome. (Thus fuelling my ongoing despair.)

I'm mixing with a mass of HCPs who have already bought into the ideology and for whom all of this misinformation has created the feeling that they're out of touch with the science that sex isn't binary but more a fluid syndrome. (Thus fuelling my ongoing despair.)

I hear you on this.

People who should know better.

Also Judy Murray, and Andy is known for supporting women's sport

Judy Murray slated for asserting transwomen have 'unfair' biological advantage in women's sport - Scottish Daily Express

Is the daily mail worse than Twitter?

Could we have changing rooms sex too
or rape crisis centres sex

that sounds so wrong as I type oops!

Gary Lineker, are you in hiding?
Not like you not to have an opinion. Coward.

Just in case my comment above was missed - Mark Foster (on a GB News Olympics round-up - it was clipped on X) who started by being a bit cagey and disclaiming detailed knowledge - but then said he’d been talking to Sharron Davies who explained about cheek swabs and he couldn’t see why this simple test couldn’t be done - why did the IOC say it would be fair if another boxing authority had said it wasn’t? - a combat sport like boxing was potentially very dangerous.
He also referred to his own sport of swimming and raised the example of Lia Thomas, gave Thomas's record in men's racing ('500th or something') and then suddenly winning women's races. 'It's completely not fair'.
So I think he definitely gets it.

@ImikSiMik you see, I don't think this is how to approach this. I'm a speech therapist and I've even worked for a bit in transgender voice. I'm also a woman with a deep, abrupt voice who is usually mistaken for a man if I'm speaking to a stranger. Yes, there are differences in M/F voices, for good structural reasons, and people are very sure they can tell the two apart, but they often get it wrong. Its also true that voice work for trans people can be completely successful. For these reasons it would be insane to suggest that voices be used as part of sex testing! In which case, it's simply irrelevant.

This is why I think that Al-Jazeera and the athletes themselves should 100% support what Pinsent said. They should never have been exposed to the kind of publicity they have had. The IOC shouldn't have just abdicated responsibility and thrown them to the wolves.

Yeah but I follow Al Jazeera on instagram and there’s massive Algerian support for this boxer, which is seen as standing up against white supremacy.

What has this particular issue got to do with white supremacy?

It stinks of lots being said behind closed doors in athlete circles.

@RedToothBrush what is being said behind closed doors in athlete circles?

Do you really think that majority of female athletes are happy?

There's been plenty about how many are afraid to speak because they will lose opportunities and it's career ending.

They look at what's happened to the big names who have spoken.

Of course I don’t think that the majority of female athletes are happy. I guess none of them are happy.
I was wondering whether you meant the discussions behind closed doors are by people who are horrified by the Olympic boxers or those in the IOC who are happy for trans women to compete.

Gary doesn't give a shit about women's sports. He had amply demonstrated this already

The reason why I'm feeling a bit optimistic (I explained this on the other thread) is that they threw EVERYTHING at this to ensure compliance. And they had most of the MSM onboard.

Yet they werent able to keep a lid on it. Of course many swallowed it, but plenty didn't. And it completely took over the discourse, featuring heavily in the press conferences, every single IOC X thread is full of it. Now more and more sports people are talking about it. And Bach has resigned.

So I'm thinking about those on the fence looking at this, who have decisions to make. Other sports federations, people like Starmer. They now know they can't bludgeon people into submission without significant pushback. Hopefully they will not want this shit show for themselves. So I'm presuming they will be more cautious than they would have been otherwise.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I do see the narrative changing.

It might also be helpful that this is not a 'trans' case. And in the long term, the Algerian sports federation and Khelif himself are very unlikely allies for the TRA mob.

More widely, sport is a poor fit for the far left 'progressive' championing of the 'most oppressed'. Sport is about strength, winning - it's also about clear rules not feelings. I think people recognise the likes of Lia Thomas and Emily Bridges as opportunistic, cheating men more quickly than they see other 'transwomen' in these terms.

Just my 2 cents .

This is why I think that Al-Jazeera and the athletes themselves should 100% support what Pinsent said. They should never have been exposed to the kind of publicity they have had. The IOC shouldn't have just abdicated responsibility and thrown them to the wolves.

It's crystal clear that the IOC refusing to sex test has absolutely failed acetone involved. IF the boxers are female (they're not) then is has exposed them to intense speculation, harassment and bullying that could have been avoided by sex testing in advance. If the boxers are male then females have been exposed to risk of fatal harm at worst, egregious unfairness at best. It's clear that their policy needs to be reviewed and sex testing MUST be done.

*everyone involved.

Sorry? Who has CAIS? Blythin? First I have heard that Blythin has CAIS. As far as I knew, they were upfront about being having a transgender identity.

And had a long history playing cricket in the Kent men's event.

I read a Sky news article saying she had naturally 1nmol testosterone and hadn’t gone through male puberty. I know people aren’t always up front about that, but I thought that IF THAT WERE INDEED THE CASE that this is the kind of DSD that I would have no issue including in female sports.

If that’s bullshit then of course the same would apply here to any other trans male athlete, they should play in men’s sports.

Just mentioned this particular case as the defence of the boxers seems to rest on “DSDs are complicated, there may not be a sporting advantage just because they have XY chromosomes”.

Funnily enough I sent a link to my BF who was defending the boxers as we don’t know what kind of DSD they might have. He loves cricket so I said “see I’m not a bigot, in this case I’d be ok with this person being on a women’s team” and he said “hmm I’m not so sure about that one, there was a lot of controversy there - maybe I’m the bigot?!”

So even when I try to be on the “right side” apparently I’m not

Sky news piece (I should have included this when I quoted your post):

"I was born with a condition that meant I never had any real levels of testosterone, which meant I never went through any form of male puberty," says Blythin.
…
She says she is now ready to tell people as much as she can about her condition and hopes this will help to raise awareness about the diversity of trans identities.
…
her condition - which she says has been established by doctors but is yet to receive a full medical diagnosis

www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11870243/maxine-blythin-transgender-cricketer-reveals-birth-condition

This thread is so interesting. There are definitely chinks of daylight on this issue now and I'm hopeful that the world is waking up to reality. It will take time though. Unfortunately.

Yes. I remember. I also remember that nothing further has been said. No diagnosis revealed after this big reveal.

And that this cricketer certainly has strength that seems too good to be true for a female player and sets records.

So that wasn’t true? Well colour me surprised - someone hasn’t been open and honest on this subject! Ugh, it shouldn’t be this complicated!

Sport was always the weakness in this ideology. A strange hill for the IOC to die on

Last year the Women's Rights Network did a piece about Blythin, who began by playing for a male team before switching to a female one.

In 2019, 6ft+ tall male Maxine Blythin outperformed the women in the Kent team batting an average score of 124 and hitting four centuries in his debut season, earning him the accolade ‘Kent Women’s Club Player of the Year’. Blythin claimed to have a medical condition that results in low testosterone production and that he never “..went through any form of male puberty”.

They also noted that the England & Wales Cricket Board use the Genderbread figure in their inclusive language guidance document (complete with pink and blue brain)
They were supposed to be having a review in 2023 but their website is very difficult to wade through to see exactly where they now stand on all this, despite a mass of EDI virtue-signalling.

Oh, and in male teams Blythin had a batting average of 15, apparently. As opposed to 124 in women’s.

It is not unusual to have male people retcon their stories. It could be that Blythin has PAIS. But they have certainly not followed up on their big reveal and the denial of male advantage seems false in the light of their record setting.

It is a reminder though that cricket needs to sort out their policy.