THANK YOU MATTHEW PINSENT

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On the Beeb now saying clear as day that the entire controversy over the boxing was wrong, it was the IOC's own fault and it needs fixing in the next Olympics cycle. No mention of individual athletes - the blame squarely where it belongs, with the mess the IOC allowed to happen.

I was a rower so he's a bit of a God to me anyway, but to say it so clearly and simply when I've been infuriated by practically everything I've read or heard about it, whichever angle it was from, was just AWESOME.

It's depressing but I had someone rant at me last week that it was racist to suggest there was a genetic issue with the Algerian boxer.

It was in a deeply unprofessional context too.

Isn't it strange that a notably outspoken, left-wing, male sports commentator has kept quiet on this scandal.

“The Zionist lobby, they want to break the mind of Imane. But now Imane is very strong. They don’t want that a Muslim girl or Arabic girl goes higher in the level of the rank of female boxing,” he said.
I've heard it all now.
The level of crazy is off the scale. How about they look at Afghanistan, where a woman can barely breathe without a man's say-so? Or is that somehow because of the 'Zionists' too?

Just adding my thanks to Mathew Pinsent. It was fantastic

Still, look on the bright side everyone-this is Isla Bryson on fucking steroids all over the entire planet.

Only in so far as it's acting as an immunuosuppressant. I'd like to be wrong but the sheer about of active disinformation out there can't be unpicked.

I'd like to be wrong.

This is what I was talking about on another thread. I think this has been a turning point, more and more people speaking out. Now we can add Matthew to that list. 🙌

And let's never forget the ones who spoke out when it was difficult to do so. And the ones who were too craven to stand up for women's sport (Lineker top of that particular list).

Seriously. The person who ranted at me started with the war in Gaza (fair enough to a point) and then jumped to the boxers as being linked as part of an anti US rant about US imperialism and abuse of Muslims.

It was slightly disturbing if I'm honest. It was someone educated working in a professional capacity. They were an older female and very determined to show how open minded they were.

There's definitely a movement to link certain things together in this way that's slightly alarming and it's being swallowed and repeated by people who quite frankly should know better.

It was altogether very depressing. And the nature of the situation made it impossible to challenge. I left feeling very uncomfortable about it.

There's definitely a movement to link certain things together in this way that's slightly alarming and it's being swallowed and repeated by people who quite frankly should know better.

A variant on the Omnicause phenomenon?

Who?

Aside from Pinsent and Adams?

Wow! That statement from Yassine is crazy! It's the sort of thing you'd expect from someone who has been reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and hasn't realised that it's fake.

Gary Lineker would be happy with the status Quo. He likes to be on trend with his political opinions.

I don't think people realise just how deep rooted antisemitism actually is around the world and how it has impacted the news and what is being reported about Gaza, etc. people feel emboldened to share their racism, especially if they swap the word 'Jew' for 'Zionist'. Which just means the right to a homeland. Any other country has a right to exist - except Israel apparently- and they brought the constant rocket attacks by Iran backed terrorists onto themselves. And are responsible for all the world's ills, including some people challenging a man's right to punch women in a boxing ring on the world stage. Go figure.

Cleaarly, if you are going to have categories, then there has to be a trustworthy and reliable method for determining who goes in which category.

Sorr haven't read the whole thread, but has anyone read the article in the Daily Mail today in which the boxer's former coach is saying / implying that ' there was a problem with the chromosomes' and the boxer was distraught to discover that he wasn't female. I rest my case m'lud.

Sounds typical of Al Jazeera.

I am convinced Pinsent was not speaking just for Pinsent. And everyone who knows Pinsent will know he's not just talking from a personal position. He was previously elected to a position to speak on behalf of other athletes to the IOC. I'd put money on the fact he's almost certainly had a whole bunch of athletes past and present talk to him about this and he knows the mood and strength of feeling.

So I would not read too much into the lack of other BBC Olympic presenters speaking out.

He's spoken because it's a diplomatic way for those Athletes and the BBC itself to make a point. It's a hell of a statement and one you'd be unwise to ignore.

It stinks of lots being said behind closed doors in athlete circles.

Remember this is now ahead of a political election - the president of the IOC. There are a lot of British athletes past and present who would probably like to have Coe as the next President.

Pinsent statement is part of that context. Pinsent is influential / well connected in the right places.

Think about it as making a point about where British Sport stands on the issue and who they are willing to support as the next president even if it's not Coe.

All the potential candidates for the job are going to have to reassure the UK that they will uphold the IOCs values about fairness and the integrity of women's sport. If the UK isn't happy about how this is dealt with going forward, I think there will be issues.

'Inclusion' cannot work when it comes to female categories....because female categiories exist for the privacy, dignity and fair treatment of women and girls and are sex specific.

Thomas Bach, though, was clearly well rehearsed in trans rights ideology - with all of his talk about " What is a woman, anyway?" and " "Who decides?.
Not smart at all.

Am I remembering wrong when Clare Balding supported Blythin as being included in cricket, and wasn’t Blythin the club’s women of the year?

I wonder if she feels the same way now?

Because for Tom Daley 'inclusion' is the primary value.

RTB - interesting answer and not unlike some speculations with which I'm familiar.

In your case, implied inside information, in mine just speculation, that this might be part of a long game re: IOC presidency.

Nonetheless, no actual other names of people speaking out at present. And it feels as if the public is being purposefully mislead and confused which won't help any strategic long game.

The Protocols are widely circulated in the Middle East and taken very seriously by some.

Khelif has a DSD of the male variety - which means XY chromosomes and testosterone in the normal male range. In other words biologically male.

Was clearly recorded as female at birth and socialised as a girl until puberty when the true nature of the condition would have become apparent. Photos and testimony reveal that Khelif has not presented or acted as a woman ( according to Algerian social standards) for a long time.

This article may be useful in that context:

https://blog.n3vlynnn.com/p/stop-co-opting-black-female-oppression

Is that referring to theFrench language article that someone very kindly linked to on here? If so, not only did it report a problem with the chromosomes, it also said Khelif has reduced his testosterone. I found it very interesting. IK has clearly gone through male puberty so isn’t insensitive to testosterone, so that makes 5-Ard even more likely.