Algerian boxer filing legal claim over online harrassment

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She could have put this to bed by sharing DNA tests. I'm struggling to feel sympathy, although it must be horrid.

Khelif does not live or present as a woman:

No thanks,you crack on though.

At what point do people think she “became” a man?

At around week 6 or 7 of gestation.

The coach of each gold medal winning boxer gets $25 000 prize money. Who knows what kind of betting went on as well?

Surely the medals could be taken back though if it was proved that Khelif is male and knows it, but put F on their passport anyway in order to compete?

#BeKind
#Nooneknowstheirchromosomes

The problem is Khelif hasn't broken any IOC rules. Ultimately the rules are the main problem.

I pretty much had my XX chromosomal status confirmed at about 9 when my menses began and breast buds developed. If they hadn’t, as was the case with a friend’s niece who was anorexic and nothing had happened by 14, then I would have expected my parents and GP to insist upon a full raft of tests, which would naturally have included karyotype/sex tests.

It beggars belief that in either Tawain or Algeria that this was not done. And if, for some inexplicable reason it wasn’t, then they had an inkling in 2022 and confirmation in 2023 when they were banned.

But surely its against the rules to knowingly falsely claim to be female?

What has been falsified? Who falsified it? The midwife? Who acted in bad faith?

There's no legal duty to change it, upon discovering it was inaccurate.

That seems grossly unfair.
A tainted 'win' if Khelif is proven to have had male advantage.

Not when the IOC's criterion for female boxers is merely to have 'female' on their passport. No rules broken. Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua could have entered if they went through the motions of changing their legal gender in the UK.

It’s not bullying if the person is a MAN.

Why should people recognise a male athlete's achievements above the female opponents who do not have the male advantage that the male athlete has?

Why should people celebrate a male athlete using that advantage, knowing that they have it, to punch female people in the face, to put female athletes at higher risk of permanent and life changing damage, to take the opportunities that those exceptional women should have won?

Is it because there is an emotional back story?

What about the stories of each and every female athlete that these male athletes have displaced, or injured? Do they not count? Where is the 'empathy and kindness' towards them? Where have either of these two male boxers had any empathy and kindness for the female boxers they have harmed, all while knowing that they are male?

And whether they have chosen to remain ignorant about their own health issues, or have simply not understood, why is it up to female boxers to cope with the outcomes of that ignorance?

I think it is a misogynistic viewpoint that centres these male athletes under the guise that they are 'women', all because some people choose to ignore the IBA tests for their own political purposes.

Caster Semenya still is an Olympic Gold Medal Winner.

Yes it's grossly unfair to Lynsey Sharp, Melissa Bishop and Joanna Jozwik.

So basically an athlete just needs to identify as a woman, and have female on their passport, which is a disgrace. The IOC are a disgrace.

I don't care about his alleged sads at being proven to be a man.

I get what you’re saying, But I have to ask the question why the U.K. and other western countries never have this problem. Some might say well we have better healthcare. But I don’t think that stands because you’re right - We don’t have our chromosomes tested at birth here. And it’s 2024. We have nhs doctors from all over the world. This ‘3rd country’ poor healthcare situation may exist but not for those with wealth or means. And I assume being a potential gold winning athlete would constitute those means.

We can’t say they didn’t know. They did because they were disqualified last year.

Which to me leaves the question do some countries have a value set that is morally questionable? Because if this was my child I would be saying I am sorry this is very unfortunate. But it’s not right to compete in the women’s.

Can they compete in the men’s? Or is that too dangerous for them or are they simple uncompetitive in the men’s . If it is too dangerous then why is the same principle not afforded to women. It is a question of values and morals.

And if it is only a question of not being competitive in the men’s. Then I am sorry but tough. The women’s category is the women’s category. Not the ‘not competitive in the men’s category’.

Yep.

Which is why it then becomes an issue about trans athletes too, if that's your criteria of choice.

Thankfully this doesn't apply to all other sports.

The trouble is the very worst sport for the criteria to be your passport is boxing because the implications to women's safety are huge.

Thank you for sharing your perspectives, and I appreciate the passion everyone has on this topic. I stand by my original comment because I believe it’s essential to approach this situation with empathy for Imane Khelif as a human being. Being publicly attacked and having your identity questioned in such a personal and painful way is something that no one should have to endure.

That said, I fully understand the concerns about fairness in women’s sports. Those are valid and deserve to be taken seriously. But I think we can advocate for fairness without resorting to dehumanizing language or making assumptions about someone’s life and experiences. We don’t have to agree on everything, but I believe there’s a way to express our views that still respects the dignity of all individuals involved.

It’s easy to get caught up in the heat of the debate, but at the end of the day, kindness and respect go a long way. This is a complex issue, and while we may differ in our opinions, I hope we can all agree that treating others with basic decency is non-negotiable.

No. The medals would not be taken back.

Semenya is now known to be a male person with 5ARD, a difference in sex development that mean that Semenya was incorrectly registered as a female but has been tested and been correctly categorised as a male person. They have not handed back any medals or any winnings.

Why do you think that the IOC would do this? The IOC has deliberately changed their regulations to allow males with competitive advantage to compete for the last 25 years. Since 1999 when they changed the rules. The IOC has prioritised inclusion above fairness. They were clear that they did this in November 2021 with the new policy framework.

The campaign is to get the policy changes over the past 25 years removed and to go back to female competitors all being screened for eligibility to enter the female category and those who have XY chromosomes will need further testing to see if they produce testosterone (if no, they are included in the female category at the moment) and whether their bodies can process the testosterone at all (if no, they too are included in the female category). That is all that is needed at this time.

I'll save my kindness and empathy for the women he punched in the face.

Using correct and precise language to describe a person as male is not dehumanising. It is accurately describing the situation and emotional needs of a person who has chosen to enter a protected sports category that they had been excluded from previously for not belonging to that category is essential to describe the issue clearly.

But this is where the IOC should be present.

As I say, few athletes, even those from certain countries come out of no where.

They have come up through the junior ranks. There are plenty of opportunities before you are on the world stage to identify this.

The idea that you do a sex test and it's a shock I think is ignorant.

Not having one's identity questioned could easily have been prevented by not going to the olympics after (whether one year or ten) discovering you have a male DSD