Algerian boxer filing legal claim over online harrassment

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news.sky.com/story/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-at-centre-of-olympic-gender-row-files-legal-complaint-over-online-harassment-13195264

She could have put this to bed by sharing DNA tests. I'm struggling to feel sympathy, although it must be horrid.

Mostly to try to shut people up I'd imagine, so he doesn't get to the stage where the awkward questions can't be ignored any more

Can't shut the whole world up, though. Can't help but think legal action is an ill-advised move for Khelif.

Well yes. However even a bit of a 'chilling' effect at this point would be useful for Khelif.

Mind you X is taking no heed as far as I can see.

I have no sympathy for the complainants political posturing. However I think it's naive to think they would not get some pretty horrific online abuse from people who feel their actions, politics or simply having a gender non conforming appearance justify saying absolutely horrible things.

Remember there are three sides in this fight not two, and the reactionary alt right are not in it to protect feminism and women's rights, they are in it because it's a threat to the traditional gender roles they support.

I suspect the real aim here is to gain a legal judgment that gender critical people with a large reach like JKR can be held responsible for any online abuse of trans or DSD people, even though it is coming from entirely different and unrelated sources, because their public scepticism emboldened others to abuse.

Only males can have Swyer syndrome.

The presence of Y chromosomes indicates maleness. They may also have a DSD, of course.

An article in the Spectator regarding the lawsuit

https://archive.ph/xulIr le mur de payer...?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/imane-khelifs-laughable-lawsuit-against-j-k-rowling/

If anything it might be the Streisand effect.

No, sex isn't defined by chromosomes, although in humans they usually determine the sex of the person (determine in the sense of causing it to be).

So the presence of the Y chromosome doesn't necessarily indicate maleness.

(In some reptiles, it's not chromosomes that determine the sex of the foetus - it's the temperature at which the egg incubates that determines whether it will develop as male or as female.)

Sex is defined by which type of gamete a person produces, or potentially could produce if their reproductive system functions correctly. A person with Swyer syndrome has a female reproductive system, but without fully functioning ovaries. So they are female.

Sex is defined by gametes. Chromosomes usually determine sex, but sometimes things go wrong, as in the case of someone with Swyer syndrome. The Y chromosome doesn't mean they are female. So the presence of a Y chromosome doesn't indicate malenes. Someone with Swyer syndrome is female, as described in articles like these:

" Women with Swyer syndrome do not produce eggs (ova), but if they have a uterus, they may be able to become pregnant with a donated egg or embryo."

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/#:~:text=People%20with%20Swyer%20syndrome%20have,and%20contain%20little%20gonadal%20tissue.

"Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do)."

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/swyer-syndrome/

This article explains the difference between what defines sex (gametes), and what determines it (usually chromosomes, in humans).

https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/defining-sex-vs-determining-sex?rq=definition%20of%20sex

Does IK have suspected Swyer Syndrome?

By everyone who has no idea what the presentation is, yes 🤣

From what I gather about Swyer Syndrome, it seems unlikely to produce any Olympic champions.

This is true. It also results in neither virilisation, nor T in the male range.

So the Paris lawyer(s) would need to get Musk (and possibly Trump) and Rowling extradited, by showing that there is dual criminality. In other words, showing that Musk broke US law, and that Rowling broke UK law, as well as French law.

Which they didn't.

Musk is protected by the 1st Amendment; and Rowling by ECRH Article 10 in addition to national protections.

This is all going nowhere except toward risibility and, as @annejumps has suggested, the Streisand Effect.

No, if he had that, he'd be female, with no male advantage. It's suspected that he has 46XY 5-ARD, like Caster Semenya. If that's the case, he'd have gone through male puberty, and have male advantage in sport. It's his unusual power that seems to have raised red flags with competitors and trainers.

Red herring then. Thanks!

Ah, okay. Thanks, I did wonder if I'd imagined seeing that elsewhere.

Just popping on the clarify the Swyers debate - acc to a very famous developmental biologist who I just asked 😉 - they are definitely male. XY and NO potential to produce any gametes, large or small so classified according to chromosomes. Whilst people with swyers appear more female and are usually raised as such for that reason, they are biological males. However, this is def a sidebar to the Khelif issue as he presents as masculine and has tested to have high T, which can only be as the result of testes, so not relevant to any discussion around him.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19361780/

I feel this is the most fascinating XY female case so far, a complete reversal of sex because of mutations in the CBX2 gene.

Not that it fits the profile of Imane Khelif, still interesting though.

IK would be far more likely to be on a catwalk than in a boxing ring if IK has Swyers Syndrome.

There are numerous claims that individuals with swyers are organised to gestate. please could your friend elaborate on this (with some evidence, it all feels a bit hear/say).
I get the odd feeling that the same way some groups try to use "intersex" as a wedge, someone is holding some information back about swyers. for example is it rare or systematic for their bodies to grow female reproductive organs i.e. uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes etc. does every swyer patient have these? are they routinely functional? Or functional in only rare cases?

There's someone on the boards pushing for people to believe that individuals with swyers are female (sorry cant remember who and i can't be arsed to check) which I don't mind but something seems held back.

Women with Swyer can, with medical assistance, carry a pregnancy to term. So I think they're best described as female even if technically they are male by karyotype.

Important article key point:

James Tidmarsh, a Paris lawyer who is qualified in both England and France, tells me:
‘In order to amount to cyber bullying under French law there would need to be intent to harm as well as a pattern of harassment against the same targeted individual. If there is no pattern of harassment shown against Khelif, and no specific intent to harm Khelif, the criminal case will not proceed.
And even if it were to proceed I seriously doubt that Musk could be extradited to France over this — the offense would also need to be a crime in the States for him to be at all concerned —which presumably under US First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech it is not.’

This whole thing is just legal BULLYING a publicity stunt. Thing is Khelif cheated his way to a medal and that is it. He will remain a hero in Algeria and amongst others, but he has NO future career in sports outside Algeria. He might be able to grift a LOT of money from morons though.

Well, quite. I mean, if Khelif is still excluded from IBA, WBC and ECB bouts, what events are left for Khelif to compete in?

Someone could create individual pay per stream bouts. That requires creating enough demand and enough awareness of brand Khelif.

RedToothBrush · Today 07:58

Someone could create individual pay per stream bouts. That requires creating enough demand and enough awareness of brand Khelif.

I don't think that possibly £19.95 per fight would be viable.