Thread 2: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

[Signalbox]

A second thread for those who wish to continue the discussion.

Thread 1 can be found here...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5129412-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes?page=1

Perhaps a general anaesthetic would help.

My take from that was that at the time the Algerian's were scrambling to 'explain' why the test was wrong. It's nonsense of course, women are not going to ever be tested and be a male. They just used hormones/periods to obfuscate.

Also it's a conservative muslim country, they are not going to be discussing this properly. If the Algerian's realise he's a man, well I'd say he will never be able to set foot in the place again. Notice how the other boxer was wearing a headscarf, but Khelif dresses very much like a western man.

What the fuck is all that about???

They couldn't possibly object to a swab on the basis of the actual procedure.

Did they think it called into account their masculinity? Like people object to a DBS check because they're not a paedophile?

There has to be more to it.

Oh wow, you're telling me that theoretically the mirena I have in has somehow managed to change my chromosomes to XY, through progestin release? 😮

@Signalbox we're getting close to the end, might be an idea to start thread 3 as I think we're going to need it! I'm happy to do so if you like.

Oh, this was up early today.

41 minutes, question from Reuters re the future of boxing at the Olympics and the IBA.

What I don't get is since the IOC knew the two were men, having known about the banning in Tokyo, why did they allow the two men to compete in Paris.

Because the IOC's eligibility criteria for the women's category is different to the IBA's (or other boxing governing bodies). They base eligibility on gender identity, of which an F on the passport is sufficient proof. The IOC decided after the Tokyo Olympics (and the furore around Hubbard) that Inclusion should be their top priority, and second priority was avoiding harm to anyone's identity. There is a list of priorities in the framework document which they issued after Tokyo. Fairness and safety for women features nowhere in it.
So the women's category is no longer a sex category as far as the IOC is concerned. Therefore they are not interested in the results of a sex test because sex is irrelevant to eligibility for the category, even for a combat sport like boxing.

They are not prepared to say so out loud, because they know it would not go down well.

Wonder how they explain the XY chromosomes. Is that the result of 'hormone medication' too?

The best argument was someone on one of the threads here or on AIBU said it could be down to, I quote, "cock gobbling" having influenced the XY sample.

I noticed in adolescence when my hips widened that my running stride completely changed. Much less efficient.

The males weren't being tested, I think Ross Tucker meant the males who wanted in, or whose sex was being picked up by the DNA screen.
The IOC ignored the preference of the women whom it affected and did what the lads wanted.

Mark Adams: 'I'm not going to comment on the chaotic scenes yesterday'

'it CLEARLY demonstrates that the sport of boxing needs a new Federation'

'the IBA is unfit to run boxing'

'just to look at the key members that took part in that travesty yesterday tells you everything you need to know'

Then a wee homily on how important boxing is. Not a single fucking word on men punching women.

Good christ.

I believe that the IOC met with McKinnon/Ivy November 2019 to discuss ‘transgender people in sport’.

It was there that I believe they used their argument, ‘people call me ‘she’, society sees me as a ‘female’, it is cruel to say I am not a female for sports’. It was hearing that this was what McKinnon used as a position that reminded me that yes, using pronouns for an individual is harmful to women and girls. On a collective level.

There is a school of thought that goes: everyone does know he is a man, but it would be too shameful to admit it.

Sorry? I don't recall writing any such thing. Do feel free to remind me if I did, though.

I'm dying to hear someone in the media ask Mr Adams whether or not he can confirm this.

We just had the presser from the IOC. One question about the future of boxing in Olympics, not a single journalist asking about the XY sex of the boxers involved.

Nothing to see here, move along, don't ask questions.

@Signalbox thanks for the 3rd thread.

Edited because I should have looked first

I've started a new thread to continue this discussion and updates, as it's not going away!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5135868-thread-3-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes?msgid=-5135868#-5135868

Given homosexuality is illegal in Algeria, I'd personally be very wary if it were me of introducing ingested semen as an explanation!!

Mark Adams is one to talk, does he think he's coming across any better? He's a lying, gaslighting arsehole and the IOC have allowed MVAW to become an Olympic sport.

That tells us everything we need to know.

Quite.

Keir Starmer's best man, on around £600k for this gig, I believe?

@SabrinaThwaite

If you think that the IOC hasn’t got a very lengthy and well documented history of corruption, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

I wasn't discussing the IOC, but the IBA. In a previous thread though I have said I certainly don't believe the IOC to be corruption-free. I have implied it is.