Thread 2: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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A second thread for those who wish to continue the discussion.

Thread 1 can be found here...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5129412-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes?page=1

Yes, questions seem to be about money, corruption and political affiliation, but this next guy is having none of it, talking about boxing - rules, procedures, safety.

"When there is an unfair advantage, people can die"

This is spot on.

The answers from the IOC briefing this morning confirm it too. They don’t care whether they have XY chromosomes or not. The IOC know they do. All that matters to them is that they have F on their passports.

That's helpful info on the timeline and addressing the charge of arbitrariness.

Although I honestly don't know what difference it could make to the result of a chromosomal test if it were arbitrary.

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Can't put that any clearer

I’m a bit behind because it’s hard to decipher what the doctor is saying. He is quite passionate and emphatic!

'only conversation that matters is how to keep the boxers safe'

Is that loud noise the sound of the shit hitting the fan.

'boxing has rules, you have to follow the rules. If you don't, it's not discrimination!'

He was good.

‘Woman’s category must be only woman, I think you agree’.

"It's not about discrimination. We didn't just wake up one morning and decide to discriminate."

very clear .

100%.

asked the doctor how much do you get paid?

Zero.

Ha!

All well and good, and obviously correct.

However the IOC rules allow them to enter and win.

Where will they stand now? Yes they are men with a DSD which allows them to fight as women? What have we gained. I think we’re just moving towards ‘some women have XY chromosomes, and they are allowed to fight you bigot!”

We really need it to be clear that puberty matters regardless of birth certificates.

Just from reading the snippets pps have been kind enough to post, the IBA speakers come across as men who are passionate about the sport, rather than apparatchiks, or suits. Unlike Mark Adams & Co with their non-answers and evasions - they're all about the IOC, not boxing or sport in general.

These guys have been fantastic so far.

They care about their boxers. They are batting away questions about corruption and right wing politics.

They are as clear as they can be that these boxers did not meet the criteria to box with women. And they told the IOC this.

They appear very keen on protecting women's boxing, no matter what.

‘Let the doctors speak’.

’Do you want the truth?’

Both quite stand out statements.

If the IOC policy says there should be no presumption of advantage in the case of males identifying as women, but that it should be assessed on an individual basis, would they not have to do some kind assessment then? I mean they'll likely still fudge the whole thing but it might give some of the other countries some grounds to challenge them on.

Important detail may have been missed v early - concerns were raised by the medical team. THE MEDICAL TEAM!!

That's where this seems to be headed. And asking for testing will be pearl-clutched-at. Private medical history, etc.

Journalist asks "what info do you have that she isn't a woman?"

Have they not been listening?

I've had an aggressive, radical left wing man tell me my main issue must be that Khelif "was Muslim", and that he "didn't care about Joke blokes in skirts" and that this whole business is just a " non issue".

I love this man 😁

"Why you attack me (to journalists arguing "she's a woman, she's born a woman) - do you want to speak?"