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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Help me present evidence to my son

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AlbertaWildRose · 02/08/2024 00:17

My DS is 18 and heavy into the TWAW belief. He thinks JK Rowling is a despicable human being for her position and thinks that women should have no problem with all of this, and it's all just "scare-mongering" to say otherwise. Whenever I try to talk to him about this I end up getting too emotional to be rational. I really want to present him with evidence that this movement is not good for women - please help direct me to some good resources. Thank you.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:11

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:10

Fair enough. It’s my lack of patience or hope I can reason with them.

I also don’t think a gender truth is an ideology.

Define ‘gender truth’.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:12

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:10

Fair enough. It’s my lack of patience or hope I can reason with them.

I also don’t think a gender truth is an ideology.

What in earth is "gender truth"?

WaitingForMojo · 02/08/2024 19:13

MoveToParis · 02/08/2024 02:45

I would show contemptuous anger.
“What an embarrassment you are, pretending you think a man can be a woman on his own say so. No one believes it- not even you. All you’re doing is showing yourself up as an idiot to your friends, and relatives.”
”It’s so sad that you have to be reminded, but women are allowed to say No to men, even if those men feel sad or angry, and even if you feel anger at women saying no. The answer is No, so get back in your box, and STFU.”
”How dare you presume to lecture me with this complete nonsense. You educate yourself and don’t raise this topic again unless it’s to give the groveling apology you don’t yet realize you owe me.”

Yes. The op should absolutely do this. If she wants to lose her relationship with her son 🙄

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:11

Trans activists are some of the most intolerant people around!

It's not enough that they are allowed to believe trans women are women. They think we should be punished for not sharing their beliefs.

They're the closest thing the UK has to an oppressive religion which persecutes nonbelievers.

Not sure I can agree there are very silly entrenched beliefs on both sides. Some TRAs it seems are looking to protect others too frightened to protest for their own rights

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:18

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:11

Define ‘gender truth’.

Some people are gender variant

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:18

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:17

Not sure I can agree there are very silly entrenched beliefs on both sides. Some TRAs it seems are looking to protect others too frightened to protest for their own rights

That's what JK Rowling is doing.

Trans people have the entire political establishment on their side.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:19

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:18

Some people are gender variant

What does this mean?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:18

That's what JK Rowling is doing.

Trans people have the entire political establishment on their side.

Not true on the second count and I don’t believe jk is going about things the right way by being so hateful and mean

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:20

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:18

Some people are gender variant

You can be whatever gender you want, Diana, because gender is completely made up. That's why there were 72 of them at last count. God knows how many there are now. Hundreds, probably.

Why does anyone care?

Fuck knows.

Why is it relevant to anything?

It's not.

You might as well have toilets and prisons and sporting categories organised by star sign. That would be just as meaningful and more objectively verifiable.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:21

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:19

What does this mean?

Ahhh the old death by a hundred reductionist questions.

if some is too dim to grasp that or look it up there is no hope for dialogue being meaningful

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:22

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:20

Not true on the second count and I don’t believe jk is going about things the right way by being so hateful and mean

And yet you have still failed to provide a single link to a single one of her tweets showing her being hateful and mean.

Nobody is getting fired for saying trans women are women. People have been fired for saying trans women are men. Even though the former is a lie and the latter is the truth.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:20

You can be whatever gender you want, Diana, because gender is completely made up. That's why there were 72 of them at last count. God knows how many there are now. Hundreds, probably.

Why does anyone care?

Fuck knows.

Why is it relevant to anything?

It's not.

You might as well have toilets and prisons and sporting categories organised by star sign. That would be just as meaningful and more objectively verifiable.

Can you please name all 72 or reference it and stop swearing at me please

Beachcomber · 02/08/2024 19:23

www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

The common narrative is that trans youth have a high rate of attempted suicide and that the reasons for this are transphobia in society and lack of support. There is no evidence to support this claim.

Every suicide is a terrible tragedy and we must be extremely careful in any message we send to young people on this subject. The Samaritans guidance states that we should avoid speculation about any one ‘trigger’ for suicide and that we need to exercise caution in repeating suicide statistics.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:24

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:21

Ahhh the old death by a hundred reductionist questions.

if some is too dim to grasp that or look it up there is no hope for dialogue being meaningful

Bit of a stretch. I’ve merely asked you to expand on what you mean. See, you can’t or won’t even attempt to without resorting to insults. Gender is a nonsensical made up concept to me so I wanted you to actually explain rather than make blanket statements. Again, boring. To state something but is unable to explain what it means is pretty dim to me.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:25

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:22

And yet you have still failed to provide a single link to a single one of her tweets showing her being hateful and mean.

Nobody is getting fired for saying trans women are women. People have been fired for saying trans women are men. Even though the former is a lie and the latter is the truth.

I forgot I was trying to curtail dialogue with you for the very point it is a deeply unproductive exercise. I have. You ignored it.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:26

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:23

Can you please name all 72 or reference it and stop swearing at me please

Stop insulting people when they ask you to actually explain what you mean. It’s not difficult. Or shouldn’t be.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2024 19:26

Are we allowed to call each other dim on threads now? It used to be frowned upon. How exciting!

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:27

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:24

Bit of a stretch. I’ve merely asked you to expand on what you mean. See, you can’t or won’t even attempt to without resorting to insults. Gender is a nonsensical made up concept to me so I wanted you to actually explain rather than make blanket statements. Again, boring. To state something but is unable to explain what it means is pretty dim to me.

That’s a personal attack because you know you can look up gender studies without berating me.
look old boy just drop it there
I am not responsible for all the views of everyone who doesn’t agree with you

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:28

Made up nonsense with an agenda

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:29

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:25

I forgot I was trying to curtail dialogue with you for the very point it is a deeply unproductive exercise. I have. You ignored it.

No you didn't.

I asked you to explain why JKR's tweet yesterday about the Algerian boxer was transphobic and you linked me to a Sky News article from five months ago about a completely unrelated spat between JKR and India Willoughby.

Zita60 · 02/08/2024 19:29

Blimey, that list is nuts. 😮

Hepwo · 02/08/2024 19:30

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 11:01

So if she were more femme and less husky then she would be less of a problem. I get that.
You say TW then you go on to misgender them repeatedly.
Your prejudice is being reinforced by one example you are not comfortable with.
Can your HR provide some training for you and your team?

What did I just read!

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:30

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 19:26

Stop insulting people when they ask you to actually explain what you mean. It’s not difficult. Or shouldn’t be.

Me?? Lmfao

fucking this and fucking that is what I have had from you people all afternoon and your posts remain!!!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 19:30

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 19:28

Made up nonsense with an agenda

All gender is made up nonsense, Diana.

Why is someone identifying as one of these 72 made up genders more nonsensical than a male person identifying as female or someone identifying as neither male nor female?

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