Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Thank you for the links @Lovelyview and also the tips on searching MN. I will take a look,

Elderberry, I've just tried agreeing with your post and then un-agreeing. It looked from my end as if it worked.

Yes - it told me someone had reacted and then when I asked who said it couldn't find anyone. So you succeeded in being disagreeable! And mysterious.

Oh that's interesting about MN removing names. I've sometimes agreed with a post and then decided a different reaction - like a 👏is more appropriate. Going to have to either get it right first time or just leave it.

I wish that the 'applause' icon meant applause, and there was another one for 'thanks' (palms together, maybe?).

Possibly not the right place for this, but I wanted to report a small win… I went into my local Civil Service office for first time since December (as I work from another site) and the toilet door now has an enormous, top to bottom, 30cm wide, bright blue stripe with “Female toilets” written in huge text. This has replaced the vaguely-skirted figure that previously adorned the door and encouraged the local AGP to lurk... I cannot imagine this happening 3 years ago in the CS as a local D&I officer would have objected. A small sign (or big sign) of the progress made.

Excellent news Matera.

Obviously not the cause of that particular seeing-of-sense, but it seems from my viewpoint in SE England that the Sandie Peggie case is having a bit of an impact in Scotland.

Anyone seen the Shon 'suck dick get tits early' Faye and Nish Kumar bullshit yet?

https://x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1893599737879626148

India Willoughby's inimitable take on the Cass Report: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1893631331700990327

Apparently Dr Cass was "a patsy, [with] zero knowledge of her brief". Someone really ought to tell the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, of which she was inexplicably President....

My take on this sort of 'critique' of Hilary Cass and the Cass review is:

Would you prefer to believe:

[a] Hilary Cass, Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, Fellow of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, who is or has been chair of the British Academy of Childhood Disability, established the Rett Clinic for children, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, consultant at Great Ormond Street Hospital for 15 years and honorary physician in paediatric disability at the Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust,

or

[b] some bloke.

Not worth a thread in its own right, but the delightful Shon Faye locates Mumsnet as a hub of transphobia as mothers turn to the right because of their resentment at their own situation. It really lays bare the misogyny of so much gender ideology and the superficiality of the analysis. There is an absence of any kind value placed on reproduction, or understanding of what that entails, no sense of women’s analysis or agency being shaped by their experiences of motherhood. Mothers are merely resentful vessels of transphobia prone to radicalisation by being allowed to communicate with each other in a predominantly female space.

There was a clip from his appearance on Pod Save the UK with Coco Khan and Nish Kumar, but it appears to have been deleted

When I posted the link to the Pod UK video above (before it was deleted), the ratio was glorious. 9 likes total and thousands of views and retweets.

Oh sorry @Waitwhat23! I managed to completely miss your post above. Must learn to read before posting 😳

It's amazing* to see what The Right Side of History think of female humans (hysterical, empty vessels, only fit to be filled with the discharge of their manly manipulators).

*Not amazing

Is this the clip?

https://www.instagram.com/podsavetheuk/reel/DGTyDmiN7FG/

I don't have an Instagram account so it might not work. The comments I read seemed to think he was a misogynist making sweeping statements with no basis in fact. Mothers, apparently, project our resentment (which we definitely have and only because we're mothers) onto poc and lesbians for...reasons. He doesn't clarify if it's the old fashioned type of lesbian or the new ones, you know, the ones with shenises.

I apologise, he does cite some evidence. One Some American right leaning wing groups have 'mom' in their name.

Nah, it's alright - I hadn't realised it had been deleted until I saw your post so it was good to know!

Time to get rid of D&I job roles. They are costing a small fortune from public finances when department budgets are under pressure. I dread to think how much the NHS, Education and universities have spent on hounding women out of jobs. There is a research opportunity to investigate legal costs and the amount of pay outs,

Thanks @lcakethereforeIam sounds like it - unfortunately I’m locked out of my Instagram account so can’t be sure.

D&I NHS avail jobs able in Cornwall. Reading, Rotherham. East Cheshire ...

Salaries ranging from £29k up to £53k

And the NHS is under pressure??

Shon has always seethed at Mumsnet.

It may not be that simple. There is still a PSED, and a requirement to undertake EqIAs on policies and projects in the public sector and done well it can be valuable - but there is an administrative burden. It makes sense for someone to do this in a big enough organisation. We might not need activists to hound us out of jobs, or “educate us” about the tribulations of being a genderqueer asexual in a workplace of boringsexuals, but it is worth considering if the new building is fully accessible and there is a space for breastfeeding mothers to express milk or whatever.

I agree with @Winterborne74. DEI isn't the problem, IMO it is important to support a diversity of people and needs and views, because humans are diverse. The problem is that DEI has become all about the One Righteous Progressive Omnicause for True Believers in The Right Side of History.

There was a very good explanation of how you might actually go about doing a proper Equality Impact Assessment on the current (I think) Sandie Peggie thread. I'll see if I can find it....

It's on this page, from AnSolas at 13.37: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5276175-sandie-peggie-facing-internal-misconduct-hearing-this-week?page=4&reply=142372977

Agreed. The Public Sector Equality Duty is needed - applied properly. I spent a fair bit of time in my old job pointing out that X test wouldn't work for people with dark skin, or Y recommended activity didn't take account of people with mobility difficulties, and had Z been based on research with sex segregated results (and if not how did we know the relevance for women)?.

The problem is when it's not applied properly, and instead takes the route exemplified by the NHS Fife page that listed all 9 protected characteristics: 8 with a brief definition, 1 with a link to 2 pages of resources.