Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

It's not just Japan -
What Is 'Fundie Baby Voice'? | HuffPost Life

I've known a few posh old ladies who obviously learned it when young, and QE2 in older recordings is a bit squeaky.

Marilyn's voice was an interesting one because outside of work it was more "normal". A lower pitch, although not low just feminine without being uber feminine, and none of the breathiness. As her career went on it was that voice, the "normal" one that took over in her work which can be seen in the last completed film, The Misfits.

There's another feminine voice that makes my eyes twitch with withheld rage. It's the affectation of some posh people who drawl and spread out their words in a loooooong lazy way that makes me want to do violence.

I'd heard about fundie voice but I didn't make the connection.

I don't know how I feel about women being blamed if they speak this way. The Huffpost article had some quotes that were very judgemental. I'm aware that my voice can slide up and down the social scale depending on who I'm talking to. Often without me consciously being aware of it. I think women need to be good at judging situations and how to act depending on the circumstances. To avoid trouble, to impress someone, for a whole bunch of reasons. It can be manipulative perhaps but, lacking size and strength or social standing, we use the tools we have.

I remember my mother and I discussing someone and their manipulative and indeed outright sneaky behavior and she said, yes, but manipulative is what you have to be in a situation where you have no power.

I try to keep that in mind when I find myself turning judgemental.

I was listening to NPR's programme, "On Point" on the radio as I drove up the turnpike this morning. The guy who is the founder of Unherd was there as a guest, talking about a conservative critique of capitalism - very interesting conversation, and Megna Chakrabarty (sp?) is an excellent interviewer, but boy did she miss a howler. He was talking about the left's demand for universal Pre-K (ie child care you don't have to pay for, for three year olds) and how this would be effectively a subsidy to encourage both parents in a family to go out to work outside the home. He maintained it would be fairer if society would also subsidize parents (of either sex) to stay home with children under school age.

Part of me nodded along as "Yeah that would be good" and then I suddenly thought... "Hold on, which parent is likeliest to take that long break from paid employment? And what effect does that have on careers and future employment, which effectively means future financial wellbeing?" Strikes me as a way to pivot women straight back to Kinder, Küche, Kirche, which on the eve of a new Trump administration seems horribly appropriate.

I wish she'd picked up on that, but she didn't.

lcakethereforeIam · 07/12/2024 16:38

I'd never heard of this before I read this article

I've just seen it in the Graun and was coming to post it here!

In 1891, accused women were finally allowed legal representation after a national outcry about the university’s powers and treatment of women. When Daisy Hopkins, 17, was arrested on the charge of “walking with a member of the university”, she was illegally tried for a different offence – immoral conduct.
Her case established an important habeas corpus precedent still cited today. The ensuing scandal led ­parliament in 1894 to revoke the university’s Elizabethan charter and remove the vice-chancellor’s power to arrest and imprison suspected sex workers.

Seeing lots of headlines of this ilk

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-defends-great-british-institution-of-sandwiches-after-badenoch-criticism-13272082

If only he'd been so quick to come to the defence of Rosie Duffield or any of the other women attacked, smeared and threatened by tras 😠. Buttie didn't.

I don't know why he does that kind of stuff. He can't hack it; he's not funny. He just looks lame. Does he really think he's 'scoring a point' off KB there?

I agree that he is as funny as brown paper wrapping. I think he is trying to make her sound rich and privileged. I mean, she's not exactly working class made good, but that sort of comparison will not land with the general public.

Oh! Nice one there IcakethereforeIam 👏

Starmer is a coward and I doubt even he knows what he actually stands for.

Meanwhile, back on the film set - trouble with men in wigs pretending to be women!
"Drastic change" is needed to end the "backwards" British stunt industry's use of men in wigs pretending to be women, according to leading female stunt experts.
'Drastic change' needed to end practice of 'wigging' on British film sets | Ents & Arts News | Sky News

lcakethereforeIam · Yesterday 16:28

Buttie didn't.

Very good!

I suppose it made sense when Stunt Women were too rare to employ on every set (bit like Shakespeare’s boys when women weren’t allowed to act) but if there are now loads of ‘em twiddling their thumbs and waiting for work then yes, send the Bewigged Stunt Men off for a long smoke-o and bring on the women!

I'd always assumed that there weren't many stunt women. It always tickles me to see obvious male stand ins.

Thr Green Party's at it again. When will they learn that if they keep throwing Shahrar Ali out, they at least need to follow their own rules about how to do it? https://x.com/ShahrarAli/status/1867280072182206809?

Ils n'ont rien appris, ni rien oublié.

The Stunt Woman/Double I know best is Patricia Tallman who did a lot of work on various Star Trek franchises, and played Lyta Alexander in Babylon 5. I always look out for her if I know she's in an episode (she often wasn't credited).

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Patricia_Tallman

Was amused to see this;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/13/middle-class-women-of-a-certain-age-reclaim-gregg-wallace-insult-and-wear-it-with-pride

Inevitable really.

Heh!

I had my interview about diversity today. The academic was friendly and seemed sensible. Her degree and PhD were in gender & diversity related disciplines, even so.

We had a nice chat about my career and difficulties I'd faced and then we turned to my lack of gender identity. I explained that I don't really know what it means. The examples she gave, given it's her field, were disappointing - concentrating on people's attitudes to individuals and how they conform to sex stereotypes; I asked how individuals know what their gender identity is, and how that differs from personality. She had no answer. But then Professor Sally Hines is no different.

I took the opportunity of stressing how women's difficulties (& some horrible things that have happened to me) come from sex discrimination; nothing to do with gender.

Well done for telling it like it is in the interview today! I hope it nudges the interviewer in the right direction.

Very well done @PoppySeedBagelRedux , I hope you gave her something to think about.

My once-a-month cleaner came today. He's a gay man, aged about sixty, living with a partner. The topic of trans came up as he was leaving, and I was heartened that we were both singing from the same hymn sheet. He felt that the push for transing children in particular was essentially homophobic. He talked about growing up gay in a rather right-wing and rural part of our state, and how miserable it was for him. He rarely goes back to see family there now and described how even now while the verbal stuff was generally unsaid, he still felt the 'nastiness' underneath.

Just watched Dr Az Hakeem on Andrew Gold's Heretics

Just under an hour and flew by. It seemed to me Dr Az has more knowledge of the males who have a trans identity. He draws a distinction between the trans fetishists and the AGP's. There's a couple of other categories too. I wish he'd had time to expand on that. Very scathing of the BBC, etc. who have colluded in madness.

I should probably add his book to my reading list.