Wtf Meghan Murphy

[CassieMaddox]

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

I can't have either maple syrup or root beer these days! When I moved to France a few years back, in the British aisle of the supermarkets were 3 (three) different varieties of root beer! A complete lost in translation moment that kept me amused for months. The British, they like beer right?

God I love that stuff. It just doesn't love me.

Root beer? Oh my goodness!

That is very sad about the maple syrup.

@@Alwaystired94 I would suggest they are either not thinking through all the consequences or they dont know about them

At the end of that Guardian article there's a list of states and their abortion rules. Most of the 'legal' states have some limit (around 24 weeks). 8 states have no legal limit.

That's what you take from my post? 🙄

Wait, so since Meghan Murphy (a Canadian living in Mexico) posted that Trump's not so bad, so now I, an American, have to vote for him? I can't just ignore her?

Yes. Until I found out that when they meant abortion many of them mean abortion at any point pre birth which apparently is totally never going to happen but also, did happen, I didn't really understand the issue.

Hence it being much more complicated than just being a yes/no issue.

Has anyone discussed JD Vance's latest pronouncement about Kamala Harris on Tucker Carlson's show? He said "women who haven’t given birth like Kamala Harris are 'childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives,'and have 'no direct stake” in America'".

No direct stake? Miserable? That's where the US is headed under Trump/Vance - extreme right-wing evangelicalism where women and girls are reduced to breeders. (I rarely use provocative language such as that, but I'm think that deserves it.)

@Theretheretherethere

Some people taking selfies in Capitol is hardly an insurrection.

Dear me. Are you a bot?

It is quite the conundrum. Two utterly vile men versus sterilising kids.

God bless AMERICA. What a fucking decision.

She stated a while back she doesn't think of herself as a feminist, around the time she wrote a piece saying men who go to strip clubs are just super nice guys no biggie, and you should just chat to men and explain why they need to treat women as human.

She followed some bloke to Mexico and has since tweeted slagging off women with fybromyalgia, plus at least one picture of herself as a teen, stating how cool she looked. She seems obsessed with people curing immune system disorders etc by eating steak and her favourite insult is retard.

She's not my cup of tea

A libfem, iirc, so not a feminist at all.

Sorry wrong thread

She does seem anti prostitution though. Not a feminist though, but occasionally intersects with them

Oh, it was the right thread. Oops.
When I was a teen abortion cut off was 12 weeks, which is too restrictive. 20 weeks is fine 99.9 percent of the time and nearly all abortions are performed at 20 weeks pr less.

I do want there to be exceptions possible of course. Ultimately women are not a uterus on legs and their rights must always supercede the foetus.

But if you've spent time in nicu and seen a parent interact with a 30 week premie you'd be keen to avoid late term abortions when possible and there's simply nothing wrong with that, whatever political party you support.

Oh and she's been living in Mexico for a while now I think. And is super giggly friendly with a creepy sexist male podcaster but I can't recall his name sorry.

That’s good to hear.

Most women who voted for Reform or the Conservatives will have voted for other reasons - immigration, NIMBYism, anger about net zero. The gender thing was probably a reason for some women, but it's odd to assume that just because someone is a woman their politics must be primarily motivated by gender politics.

Condoms, decent education about tracking my cycle and my likely fertility window, (which would have likely led me to abstain from sex even with condoms during it) and decent access to morning after pills

Do you actually believe that MM and her friends are in favor of the morning after pill becoming easier to access?

Ruth Bader Ginsburg had the opportunity, in 2013, to retire with a Democrat president in office and thereby keep a more neutral balance to the Supreme Court.

Arguably her (selfish, at 81 and already in ill health) decision to stay in office (and who does that remind you of?) was ‘the’ major contributor to RvW being overturned, only two years after her death gave Trump the opportunity to fix the court for the following 15-20 years.

Clinton didn’t do much for women in office, although I suppose you have to give him credit for knowing his biology. And as PPs have stated upthread, Obama could have protected abortion rights, had he seen it as a priority. But Democrats at a Federal level have taken women’s votes for granted for years, just as they’ve taken black and Hispanic votes as read, and have done less and less to show they deserve their ‘blind’ support.

And heaven help us in mitigating the fallout from that. Four years of an isolationist leaning, far right US administration is going to hurt all of us.

It's the pro-choice groups that see it as an all or nothing thing. I've known people who were fairly moderate who wanted to get involved with some activism and found very quickly their views weren't acceptable.

It's not actually only in the US. Canada is the same,and frankly if you scratch the surface at FWR you will find quite a few activists are hard line on this, there should in their minds be zero restrictions on abortion. The fact that a 30 week fetus is a baby makes no difference to them, as far as they are concerned it's an irrelevance. Their ideology is clear, it's not a "person" in the law so has no meaningful legal or moral status. The mother can do what she likes for any reason, at any time, be it abortions as performance art or at end of term.

I had conversations with women who voted only on this issue, they were single issue voters ie were not considering other aspects when voting.

The funny thing about complaints that the court is "stuffed" with conservatives, is that it was stuffed with liberals in order to get RvW through in the first place. It was never a strong judgement legally, it was a political judgement, and that was never hidden. It was considered a-ok by Democrats. It should be no surprise Republicans don't have a problem with doing the same thing.

RBG never thought it was a good legal decision, and I would say her concerns about it as likely to stoke division were quite justified.

Benjamin Boyce, James Lindsay?

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