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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

FFS disability is now on the pride flag

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sashh · 16/07/2024 08:58

I'm livid. I'm disabled and I do not want to be represented on the LGBTQ+ flag.

Also this quote: Dayna Halliwell (she/her), Content and Engagement Manager at Evenbreak, led the collaboration and organised the Pride visit. She said: “It was very moving and amazing to see the reaction of disabled people in the audience. You could see the joy on their faces of being represented in the parade.”

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride/

New Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag unveiled at London Pride

Image description: Evenbreak team members in pink t-shirts carry the new Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag in the London Pride Parade alongside Valentino Vechietti, dressed in white. Photo credit: Ma…

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride

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Devonbabs · 18/07/2024 10:16

RainWithSunnySpells · 18/07/2024 08:57

Well said WhatsUp.

I also want to remind everyone of this incident.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12535827/Transgender-ex-Labour-MSP-Heather-Herbert-disabled-toilet-Gatwick-Airport.html

I think that third spaces (or maybe that should be fourth spaces) are needed. This does not mean rebranding the disabled toilet or making the ladies mixed sex.

Maybe a small section of the gents could be taken to make an additional cubicle that is gender neutral. This would of course be accessed from the hallway/public space and not via the gents.

It's about time that men gave a tiny bit to help ease this situation.

Christ! And meanwhile a disabled person can’t use the toilet whilst this person sticks something up their inverted penis is some weird fetish of sharing a photo of them doing that!

This is a male problem whichever way we look at it. Therefore 100% agree on creation of a gender neutral space in the men’s toilets.

IdealHomeExhibition · 18/07/2024 11:22

Thelnebriati · 16/07/2024 11:51

July is disability Pride month. I'm not proud of being disabled, it is what it is. I don't like the flag.

But can we not just have one fucking thing that's about us?

Is it? I haven't seen one disability pride event adverised at all. Plenty of other pride events going on in July even though they just had last month.

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 13:35

IdealHomeExhibition · 18/07/2024 11:22

Is it? I haven't seen one disability pride event adverised at all. Plenty of other pride events going on in July even though they just had last month.

There was one in the biggish town I was visiting some days ago.

Discounting the (mostly blue-haired) stewards looking self-important with clipboards and walkie-talkies, and the rent-a-brass-ensemble, there were about 40-50 people, including quite a lot of young kids evidently dragged along by adults.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 18/07/2024 22:03

IdealHomeExhibition · 18/07/2024 11:22

Is it? I haven't seen one disability pride event adverised at all. Plenty of other pride events going on in July even though they just had last month.

Last year McDonald’s had the disability rainbow decal in their windows. I thought it was just yet an other pride rainbow. Why does everything have to be bloody ‘pride’?

2Rebecca · 18/07/2024 22:51

The more people the flag includes the less ownership any one group feels towards it and the less important it is. There are far more disabled people than LGBT people. If they decide it's now their flag ( which they won't any more than non white people were keen to claim it despite them getting a stripe) then it will have changed focus even more. It's all got very silly. It will never be my flag no matter what mad colours they add to it.

TemporalMechanic · 19/07/2024 15:04

Not RTFT but it seems to me that it's turning into a 'good, oppressed people' flag, which includes everyone who isn't part of a 'bad, oppressor' class. All those axes of oppression. Except sex, of course, because we all know white middle-class women are in the Bad People category.

I've even seen a version incorporating the Palestinian flag colors.

YankSplaining · 20/07/2024 00:58

One, that flag is an ugly mess. Two - they add disability and not bisexuality?

Catsmere · 20/07/2024 03:42

TemporalMechanic · 19/07/2024 15:04

Not RTFT but it seems to me that it's turning into a 'good, oppressed people' flag, which includes everyone who isn't part of a 'bad, oppressor' class. All those axes of oppression. Except sex, of course, because we all know white middle-class women are in the Bad People category.

I've even seen a version incorporating the Palestinian flag colors.

And of course AGPs are the most oppressed of all.

SerafinasGoose · 20/07/2024 15:02

YankSplaining · 20/07/2024 00:58

One, that flag is an ugly mess. Two - they add disability and not bisexuality?

If they stirred up all those colours together it would just end up a muddy brown. The connotations of that don't even need pointing out.

What a shame. Stonewall, Pride etc started out as such commendable efforts. The fact that they've now become mired in homophobia, biphobia, misogyny and male rights activism is hard to swallow.

UpThePankhurst · 21/07/2024 13:45

'Oppressed' is another word that's been emptied of all actual meaning and is now basically standing in for 'do whatever I say or I'll scweam'.

Oppression is not having equal access to law or justice and when you get hit by someone or ill treated in plain sight of the police, they look away or tell you you deserved it. Like the women meeting to defend their rights.

Oppression is being used to provide labour to others without ability to refuse. Like the price of your access to a refuge or a changing room or the women's toilets being that any man who wishes can make use of you and your body in his personal agenda. Like having to pretend via pronouns against your own beliefs and perceptions.

Oppression is just not having the access to public spaces and daily life as others do. Such as a wheelchair user without ramps, dropped kerbs and accessible doorways and toilets. Such as women who are not able to use mixed sex spaces regardless of what a man says is happening between his ears at the time, or whether or not he's got a nice bit of paper.

Oppression is not poncing about with a flag with half the establishment dancing around with you to prove how cool they are.

quantumbutterfly · 21/07/2024 14:25

@UpThePankhurst

Yep

Cattenberg · 23/07/2024 13:01

”Hate” is another word that’s become meaningless. It could refer to racist thugs fire-bombing a BAME person’s house, but these days it’s far more likely to mean “someone disagreed with me on Twitter”.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2024 15:50

Yes, it's not helpful.

Catsmere · 23/07/2024 22:49

"Hate" means "failure to submit" often enough.

TempestTost · 23/07/2024 23:23

HoneyButterPopcorn · 18/07/2024 22:03

Last year McDonald’s had the disability rainbow decal in their windows. I thought it was just yet an other pride rainbow. Why does everything have to be bloody ‘pride’?

My reading of the Disability Pride thing is that some disability advocates have noted the success of Gay Pride, and so they are looking to recreate that for their group.

I was at a Disability Pride event with my work, and it was nice enough, some craft tables, some speeches, some groups showcasing products and services.

I don't think there is any chance it will catch on the same way though.

MaidOfAle · 24/07/2024 02:46

UpThePankhurst · 21/07/2024 13:45

'Oppressed' is another word that's been emptied of all actual meaning and is now basically standing in for 'do whatever I say or I'll scweam'.

Oppression is not having equal access to law or justice and when you get hit by someone or ill treated in plain sight of the police, they look away or tell you you deserved it. Like the women meeting to defend their rights.

Oppression is being used to provide labour to others without ability to refuse. Like the price of your access to a refuge or a changing room or the women's toilets being that any man who wishes can make use of you and your body in his personal agenda. Like having to pretend via pronouns against your own beliefs and perceptions.

Oppression is just not having the access to public spaces and daily life as others do. Such as a wheelchair user without ramps, dropped kerbs and accessible doorways and toilets. Such as women who are not able to use mixed sex spaces regardless of what a man says is happening between his ears at the time, or whether or not he's got a nice bit of paper.

Oppression is not poncing about with a flag with half the establishment dancing around with you to prove how cool they are.

Edited

Oppression is the white police shooting a Black woman dead in her own home.

Rest in peace Sonya Massey.

When did the US police last shoot a trans person who wasn't Black?

quantumbutterfly · 24/07/2024 10:23

Oppression is being shot in the head for daring to get an education.

Oppression is being killed for not covering your hair.

Oppression is being sold in marriage as a child to an older man, because your family need to eat.

Oppression is female infanticide because boy children are more valuable.

Oppression is being raped & murdered because you don't have access to a safe toilet.

Oppression is constantly being a murder statistic in the UK.

Oppression is not being allowed to get together in public to speak about the biological reality of being a woman without being abused verbally or physically.

Oppression is having hard won rights taken away and being abused for protesting.

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